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Yesterday, at Michael Weber’s lecture, he demonstrated and taught his “Card Kindergarten” stack which was incredibly easy to learn, and after a few practice sessions was actually difficult NOT to remember. This excited me because the stack is simple but sound, and the tricks he used to demonstrate it were exceptional.
Oddly, I have searched the various forums and cannot find any mention of it (neither stacks nor mem deck topics). Am I alone in my enthusiasm, or just fortunate that nobody else has caught on to how powerful this stack can be?
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I never heard of the Card Kindergarten (KinderCardten?). Tell us a bit more.
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On 2009-11-08 22:13, Magiguy wrote:
Yesterday, at Michael Weber’s lecture, he demonstrated and taught his “Card Kindergarten” stack which was incredibly easy to learn, and after a few practice sessions was actually difficult NOT to remember. This excited me because the stack is simple but sound, and the tricks he used to demonstrate it were exceptional.
Oddly, I have searched the various forums and cannot find any mention of it (neither stacks nor mem deck topics). Am I alone in my enthusiasm, or just fortunate that nobody else has caught on to how powerful this stack can be?


What makes this stack any easier to learn than any other? Not doubting you but, it's Kind of hard to believe that after just a few practice sessions it was difficult NOT to remember. I would like to hear more!
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It's published in his notes, "Memorease." I can't reveal much about the stack as it wouldn't be ethical, but you really can pick up the gist of it in (no kidding) 5 - 10 minutes, and have it down cold in about a half hour or so. Practice it a few times and you'll be comfortable enough to head out into the real world with it. Seriously. I'm not a mem deck expert so I can't say for sure if this can do all the things you can do with an Aronson or Tamariz (or whatever) Stack, but it works for me, and the ease of it all blows me away. If you have questions that I can answer without revealing too much feel free to PM. Better yet, find a copy of the notes and prove it to yourself. I don't see it for sale anywhere other than at his lectures, but maybe you can reach out to him directly at notmichaelweber@gmail.com
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The only thing not mentioned in this threat is that you really cant do ribbon spread of the deck face up but you would have to substitute it to other displays. You also cant counts into face up pile with the stack. Other than that, it really is easy to learn and you can get it cold under 30mins for sure. Its neat thing to have just to mess with magicians who know Tamariz or Aronson stacks because you can use it same way but the guys in the "know" don't regonise the card positions or runs of cards.

J-M
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Just to be clear, the stack taught in "Memorease" isn't a strict card-to-position/position-to-card stack. As it's written (or at least, in the copy I have), it's an easy-to-learn stack that's good for things like Bob Cassidy's "Card Memory" routine.

It could be interesting to develop a true memorized stack with the Memorease/Card Kindergarten principle as a basis.
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I attended Michael's lecture last week in Vancouver and the Kindergarten stack was indeed a very easy stack to remember even without purchasing the notes.

The stack that I liked much more was the one used for determining which of two spectators held specific cards. I'm not sure if this is the Memorease effect or is similar to Bob Cassidy's Card Memory routine. I actually just checked it out with a deck of cards (no notes, just the ones I took that night) and did it perfectly for my wife who had absolutely no idea. So while I remember the stack I don't actually remember the name of it or what the effect is called!? LOL I believe this is the effect that Michael carries with him when he needs to do some extra time as it is about a 7 or 8 minute routine.

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The Card Kindergarten Stack is a full deck card-number number-card stack like Aronson or Tamariz.

Memorease is the name of the notes that contain the two non-memory, memory systems and effects described in the thread, the Sands/Cassidy/Richardson 15 second deck memory and recall stunt, and the easy to learn, recall and use memorized deck system Card Kindergarten.

Just saw both in Seattle and the whole room had it in two minutes.

I know he is lecturing in SFO at the end of this week, my guess is he would teach it there if anyone was interested.
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Thanks for the clarification. Memorease is the effect/routine/notes I was thinking of and it really was a very simple memory stunt. I've done it a couple of times on family members and it went perfectly.

jeff
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Not a bad quickly learned memoorized deck if the cards will be kept face down. Definitely it is very quick to learn and can be recalled years later just by remembering the simple setup parameters.

The major drawback (as korttihai_82 discussed above) is that the deck cannot be shown in a face-up ribbon spread or in a face-up count of the cards. Would be great to use after a bunch of card effects with a regular shuffled deck and then a deck switch.

Nice in a pinch and if you don't wish to invest the time and effort to learn a face-up "random looking" stack like the Aronson Stack or the Tamariz Stack. But, nothing is free. If you don't invest the time into a "random looking" stack, you will be limited in the application(s) in which you can utilize the deck.
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The Memorease is excellent from the perspective that the deck can be freely displayed and ribbon spread. Add in the selective shuffling which can easily be made to look random/off the cuff and you have quite a nice routine that's very easy to remember.

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I've gotten great reactions, and I have both ribbon spread (claiming it as a new deck) and sprung the deck face up, hand to hand. No issues! Weber is such a clever thinker, and this is just one of many examples.
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I went To Mr. Weber's lecture a few days ago in SF and learned this stack there. He demonstrated that you can spring the cards face up and they go by fast enough to not show the stack. It is so easy to remember that I was able to cut to the card named that night! Now I am working on a trick where any card is named, the deck cut once, and ribboned to show their card face up. I can turn it over and repeat any number of times! Throw in a couple of false cuts and that's all you need. I'm so happy to have this any card, any position tool in my arsenal.
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I have a set of Michael Webers notes for sale which includes both the "Memorease" effect and the "Card Kindergarten" stack, plus a nice Pseudo Centre deal routine and possibly one or two other things (if my memory serves).

£15 inc p&p.
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On 2009-11-10 14:29, korttihai_82 wrote:
The only thing not mentioned in this threat is that you really cant do ribbon spread of the deck face up but you would have to substitute it to other displays. You also cant counts into face up pile with the stack. Other than that, it really is easy to learn and you can get it cold under 30mins for sure. Its neat thing to have just to mess with magicians who know Tamariz or Aronson stacks because you can use it same way but the guys in the "know" don't regonise the card positions or runs of cards.

J-M


Face up spreads and deal card face up are solved with my own memorised deck. I was join two brilliant ideas of M.W. and R.O. and named that stack "WO stack". You can learn this stack for about 15 minutes. Stack can be spreaded and showed face up and have random look feel. Card/Position and Position/Card revealed by heard information. Position actually tells you card and opposite. Those who are know little bit more about stacks do not need more than name WO. Smile I am working on my new e-book and I will explain that stack in detail. I'm sure that lazy magicians, who don't want to learn Tamariz or aronson stacks, will be satisfided cause WO stack is very simple to "CALCULATE".
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WO STACK LOOKS LIKE THIS

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I saw webber do this effect at an I.B.M convention and he killed everyone with it. lol!
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Hello there,
I recommend http://www.stackview.com/. It's a free tool for testing your learned stacks.
Thanks

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