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Scott Fridinger
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Ocean Springs, MS
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Posted: Nov 22, 2009 7:46pm
At least with Fiber Optics extended he added the Ring effects. This seems to be a much better addition then slightly modifying the gimmick to get the same results.
I didn't see the difference in thickness of the bills, unless he figured out a way to slit the bills and remove the "cardboard" center...
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mep2003
New user
4 Posts
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Posted: Nov 22, 2009 7:50pm
I loved the first one. I wrote to him and mentioned a few very minor things I did to improve the trick for myself. He quickly responded and then when I sent him the idea he never responded. I included in the email that I wanted nothing for the contribution if he liked them. I still love his dvd and think its one of the finest upclose magic tricks around.
I keep my money in a money clip no big deal but it keeps the money in very good shape and its alway ready.
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Joaquin
Regular user
160 Posts
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Posted: Nov 22, 2009 11:44pm
Improvements is what we should all strive for.
The better it gets the better we all are.
Sad will be if we are stock with a trick that cannot be improved. Think how good the bill change concept is going to become in the future with all the improvements that they can create.
Why getting upset. I am excited that this effect is getting better and better.
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rockthemike
Special user
Seattle
694 Posts
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Posted: Nov 22, 2009 11:55pm
Nobody b*tched when Michael Jordan retroed his Air Jordans 10+ times for each of the 30+ models. Or when Honda released the Civic 5+ times.
Michael Wong
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Todd Bernard
Loyal user
266 Posts
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Posted: Nov 23, 2009 9:41am
Look for it to cost about $29 for the "new improvement". The demo shows nothing new, which is the only thing we can judge it on right now. So, if it's the gimmick that has changed, and we still get the same visual, then there really is no reason for a new version is there? Who cares about what is inside, the laymen will never see that. What they see is the visual bills changing.
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ted french
Inner circle
Columbus Ohio
1750 Posts
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Posted: Nov 23, 2009 10:30am
I and many others !@#$%ed about the Jordans, they really cheapened the brand when they did those ridiculous cartoonish versions of the classic Jordans. Fortunately they didn't screw the 4s up too bad with the updated version.
P3
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gaffed
Inner circle
So far I've managed to gimmick
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Posted: Nov 23, 2009 10:31am
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On 2009-11-22 19:46, dinger136 wrote:
I didn't see the difference in thickness of the bills, unless he figured out a way to slit the bills and remove the "cardboard" center...
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Cardboard center??
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gamma105
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City of Evil
117 Posts
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Posted: Nov 23, 2009 1:47pm
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On 2009-11-22 18:06, Mediocre the Great wrote:
EB Version 1 is a "worker" in my regular strolling and close up acts. I have great patter for it and it plays big every time. However, constant never ending improvement is the mark of a professional.
I look forward to seeing Richard's new ideas. I'm also looking foward to Fiber Optics vs 2 and Tagged vs 2 as well. Gotta go now, I've got to get to the store to buy a copy of Windows vs 7 before they come out with version 8.
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I love Rich's patter, it's hilarious!
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rockthemike
Special user
Seattle
694 Posts
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Posted: Nov 23, 2009 6:21pm
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On 2009-11-23 10:30, ted french wrote:
I and many others !@#$%ed about the Jordans, they really cheapened the brand when they did those ridiculous cartoonish versions of the classic Jordans. Fortunately they didn't screw the 4s up too bad with the updated version.
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LOL, I agree. I 1.) didn't think anyone else was into shoes and 2.) just tried to make a point 
Michael Wong
Wizard
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Mr. Mystoffelees
Inner circle
I haven't changed anyone's opinion in
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Posted: Nov 23, 2009 8:16pm
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On 2009-11-22 23:55, rockthemike wrote:
Nobody b*tched when Michael Jordan retroed his Air Jordans 10+ times for each of the 30+ models. Or when Honda released the Civic 5+ times.
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Yeah, but the Jordans could be returned and you got to test drive the Honda first...
As I felt the soft, cool mud squish between my toes, I thought "Man, these are not very good shoes" Jack Handey
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ted french
Inner circle
Columbus Ohio
1750 Posts
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Posted: Nov 23, 2009 8:18pm
I'm wearing the Jordan 3s as I type this.
P3
practice practice perform.
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mike storz
Inner circle
Orange, CT
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Posted: Nov 23, 2009 8:57pm
Is it just me or does the video demo show him handling the bills more freely?
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magicman1
Inner circle
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Posted: Nov 23, 2009 9:15pm
I'm with you mike, looks much cleaner but hard to really tell, guess we have to wait till it comes out and make a decision then
Don
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Ron Vergilio
Special user
Murrieta, CA
622 Posts
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Posted: Nov 23, 2009 11:32pm
Yes, it is hard to tell. Richard does everything so smoothly so the difference in his hands is hard to see a difference.
-Ron
May the magic in your life never disappear
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Scott Fridinger
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Ocean Springs, MS
802 Posts
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Posted: Nov 23, 2009 11:48pm
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On 2009-11-23 10:31, gaffed wrote:
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On 2009-11-22 19:46, dinger136 wrote:
I didn't see the difference in thickness of the bills, unless he figured out a way to slit the bills and remove the "cardboard" center...
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Cardboard center??
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Just a joke referencing the ability to split cards and make them thinner, etc. There is no cardboard center to the bills, so really, how do you make them thinner???
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sruli
New user
70 Posts
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Posted: Nov 24, 2009 12:08am
I just watched the YouTube demo for EB2. I don't see this as an improvement so much for the spectator, who will see the same effect either way, but it might be an improvement for the magician in terms of ease of handling.
The difference to the spectator in Handout 500 is perhaps more obvious, but until I try it myself I won't know if the handling is more difficult. I suspect it might be, but practice would undoubtedly mitigate that.
All of the Easy Money effects are the same to the spectator when performed correctly. Only we know the difference. The different versions I have seen all have something to recommend them in terms of the different handlings, but the lay person will experience the same thing.
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cardlover
Regular user
136 Posts
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Posted: Nov 24, 2009 3:21am
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On 2009-11-24 00:08, sruli wrote:
I just watched the YouTube demo for EB2. I don't see this as an improvement so much for the spectator, who will see the same effect either way, but it might be an improvement for the magician in terms of ease of handling.
The difference to the spectator in Handout 500 is perhaps more obvious, but until I try it myself I won't know if the handling is more difficult. I suspect it might be, but practice would undoubtedly mitigate that.
All of the Easy Money effects are the same to the spectator when performed correctly. Only we know the difference. The different versions I have seen all have something to recommend them in terms of the different handlings, but the lay person will experience the same thing.
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honest and very well put!
500 is very direct and the proofs are in the right spots.
Easy Money is a classic,but like I said before,it was very nice seing a whole new approach to this effect that was outstanding on it's own merits.
It's the only really new take on the multi bill change that is truly outstanding and offers many features and not just the hand out ending.
I have it set up for four ones to four fives and five ones to five tweenties and the cost for both gimmicks cost me a total of twelve bucks!
I ask for a tweenty or a hundred and do the change with my ones and exchange bills that instant.
I get the benefit of the handout ending and then simply exchange bills back when I'm done.
My opinion is based on owning most all the Easy Money Variations and for someone who has never had a version of Easy Money,i would recomend both.
John
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PepeRuizSJ
Loyal user
204 Posts
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Posted: Nov 29, 2009 1:26pm
Here's my thing with this effect. If I add this to my repertoire it means that I don't have access to those bills any more. So, if I use 4 or 5 bills of $20 and 4 or 5 ones this effect is actually costing me $84 to $105dlls. I love the effect, but it seems a little pricey for me. I know you could re-use the gimmick as a regular bill, but if this goes into my working repertoire then I can't. These bills need to be ready to go always, so effectively this trick costs me 80 to 100 dlls, plus the DVD. Sure, it pays for itself, but other tricks seem to have a better investment/utility ratio. Does anyone out there share this view with me? Or am I completely missing something? Maybe I'm focusing too much on the business side and not in the art and beauty of the effect. That might be what it comes down to.
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Nico Zottos
Elite user
479 Posts
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Posted: Nov 29, 2009 1:40pm
Couldn't you do magazine clippings or paper clippings to one dollar bills?
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Vorezo
Loyal user
248 Posts
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Posted: Nov 29, 2009 1:51pm
In canada, we would have to use 5's so its quite costly. And I personally think its stonger to turn 5's to 20's (or 100s) instead of magazine clippings to some bills...
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shane.black
Regular user
186 Posts
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Posted: Nov 29, 2009 2:27pm
Actually he did handle the bills more freely you weren't just imagining it. Also the transition between denominations was cleaner so my guess is Richards devised a way to hand them out after the change. I love EB1 and I love Hand Out 500 I'll use both since the visuals are different on both so I don't see the problem with owning each of them. Looks great Richard!
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Nico Zottos
Elite user
479 Posts
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Posted: Nov 29, 2009 3:06pm
Vorezo it is stronger to change money into larger money but there is a solution to where it isn't as expensive. If you have to make it a little less strong, then so be it.
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Mr. Mystoffelees
Inner circle
I haven't changed anyone's opinion in
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Posted: Nov 29, 2009 3:20pm
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On 2009-11-29 13:26, PepeRuizSJ wrote:
Sure, it pays for itself, but other tricks seem to have a better investment/utility ratio. Does anyone out there share this view with me? Or am I completely missing something? Maybe I'm focusing too much on the business side and not in the art and beauty of the effect. That might be what it comes down to.
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I do, although my concern with the effect goes even further. I have EB and have not used it, because I just can not make any sense of it. I know magicians do weird things with strange objects, but turning something into real money and not distributing it to your faithful audience seems at the very least a little miserly. Turning it back into what it was before- are you a stupid magician, or just being mean?? I can't get past that...
As I felt the soft, cool mud squish between my toes, I thought "Man, these are not very good shoes" Jack Handey
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Apprentice
Regular user
158 Posts
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Posted: Dec 1, 2009 12:46pm
Hello,
read your post on why you don't do EB. it's such a beautiful effect, it's been around for so long and used with great effect by patrick page and other pro's all up until now that there must be a way you can find to present it and be happy with it.
would this help make some sort of sense for you?
I take out old 'collectors' uncirculated canadian bills to show them how they've increased in value by ten fold....literally.... (then I flick and they visually change into new $10 bills).
however, once money has been alterted (magically) in this manner, in the wrong hands, they may inadvertantly be changed back to it's first state (the old collector's $1's) while you are paying at a cash register (then I flick and they visually change back into $1 old style bills - like cinderella does at the stroke of midnight) - which could land you in jail.
I can't take that liability and I'd never wish that on any poor soul - so I make it a point never to hand them out. I just change the bills myself when I am in need.
it conveys that you are not a stupid magician because you are able to do it yourself and use the money but explains why you don't hand them out and what the extreme consequenses are if you did hand them "altertered" bills out.
you could use this explaination for regular $1 USD bills and changing them to $10's or $20's or $100's. the same applies - you could go to jail trying to pass $1's as $100 dollar bills.
with the above explaination (which I don't even go so far to explain) this is just as strange a thing for any magician to do as all his other effects. it's on even level playing ground now.
so go out and start doing Extreme Burn!!! no more exuses!!!
Have fun with it! Hope this helps you try it out! it's Fun!
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Review King
Eternal Order
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Posted: Dec 1, 2009 12:57pm
Richard doesn't release poor effects. The video on this looked cleaner and more magical than EB. Just that little bit extra that elevated it.
"Of all words of tongue and pen,
the saddest are, "It might have been"
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M Sini
Inner circle
1176 Posts
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Posted: Dec 1, 2009 1:14pm
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On 2009-11-29 13:26, PepeRuizSJ wrote:
Sure, it pays for itself, but other tricks seem to have a better investment/utility ratio. Does anyone out there share this view with me? Or am I completely missing something? Maybe I'm focusing too much on the business side and not in the art and beauty of the effect. That might be what it comes down to.
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I do, although my concern with the effect goes even further. I have EB and have not used it, because I just can not make any sense of it. I know magicians do weird things with strange objects, but turning something into real money and not distributing it to your faithful audience seems at the very least a little miserly. Turning it back into what it was before- are you a stupid magician, or just being mean?? I can't get past that...
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Miserly? Do you give your coins away at the end of your miser's dream routine?
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Scott Fridinger
Special user
Ocean Springs, MS
802 Posts
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Posted: Dec 1, 2009 5:54pm
Turning them back is not a problem, you just need the patter. I do it and stick the money in my pocket. They know what they saw, and it is over. It is a mini stage illusion. After the effect on stage the performer doesn't invite them up to inspect the props. It just happens, they (hopefully) are amazed in what they saw, and you move on.
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madcats9
Regular user
177 Posts
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Posted: Dec 29, 2009 12:11pm
Any news when it will be released?
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Xcath1
Inner circle
1038 Posts
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Posted: Dec 29, 2009 12:16pm
How about starting with 100s changing to 1's and presenting it as the most useless magical ability ever. At lease no one will be lining up to have you change their money which always seems to be the punchline of this trick
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bugjack
Inner circle
New York, New York
1496 Posts
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Posted: Dec 29, 2009 1:22pm
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On 2009-11-29 13:26, PepeRuizSJ wrote:
Sure, it pays for itself, but other tricks seem to have a better investment/utility ratio. Does anyone out there share this view with me? Or am I completely missing something? Maybe I'm focusing too much on the business side and not in the art and beauty of the effect. That might be what it comes down to.
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I do, although my concern with the effect goes even further. I have EB and have not used it, because I just can not make any sense of it. I know magicians do weird things with strange objects, but turning something into real money and not distributing it to your faithful audience seems at the very least a little miserly. Turning it back into what it was before- are you a stupid magician, or just being mean?? I can't get past that...
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I was in your camp, which is why I really like Steve Haynes's "Handout 500."
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