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Ihop
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On 2012-05-01 08:43, gsidhe wrote:
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On 2012-04-24 16:14, Ihop wrote:
When I did it in the lab it was with CCl4 (Carbon Tetrachloride) no mixture. It evaporates quickly and is cold because of that.

Sorry...You put "No Mixture" and claimed to be burning a non flammable substance. Can you see how I might take issue with that? Add carbon disulfide...Then yes, it ignites.
No...I am not any sort of chemist (Well educated, but not a chemist). I am a fire performer. I know fuels and flash points.
I also know the physics of fire. I would never argue that an on fire object could be held or that the skin itself can be lit on fire. I know it can. I do it all of the time.

And yes...What we are looking at is a difference of definition. Cold fire would be fire without significant heat. Not just at the base (Where the heat rises and the evaporating fuel cools the surface it is rising from allowing it to be directly held and manipulated) but throughout. With this legendary "cold fire" you would be able to light your whole hand on fire and leave it that way without concern. Even the surfaces of the hand that are facing down (Without the use of fire gels or anything other than human skin) would be unharmed. This is something that no fuel can do.

I'm glad we got that straightened out.
I was in error when I wrote "no mixture". I stand corrected.
I was responding to your comment:

"Complete fiction. It does not exist. "
Gwyd

And I did know that it (cold fire) did exist since I did it.
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But what you did with the flaming balls is something I can do with any number of flammables. The fire is still not cold. If it will light something on fire or burn something that is above it, it is just regular old fire utilizing simple physics.
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Ihop
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Nope
No flaming balls.
I poured the mixture into my palm. (it was cold)
and lit the mixture. It just burned in my hand
There was no heat detected. It remained cold.

I would never do that again because of the known health hazards. It is carcinogenic.

I'm just curious.
Have you actually done this?
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Lit my hands on fire? Yes. Many many times. (And my tongue, leg, arm...) It takes a little more times with some fuels than others but it gets hot as the fuel is consumed (Less fuel, less cooling from evaporation).
With your mixture? No.
You poured it into your palm? A small puddle or just so the surface of the hand was damp with the mixture?
Could the flames off of the surface light an object above them on fire?
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On 2012-05-02 12:03, gsidhe wrote:
Lit my hands on fire? Yes. Many many times. (And my tongue, leg, arm...) It takes a little more times with some fuels than others but it gets hot as the fuel is consumed (Less fuel, less cooling from evaporation).
With your mixture? No.
You poured it into your palm? A small puddle or just so the surface of the hand was damp with the mixture?
Could the flames off of the surface light an object above them on fire?

Yes.
I poured a small puddle into my palm.

I never tried lighting an object above on fire but I doubt if I would have been able to even if I did try. It was only for a few seconds and it was never intended to be part of a magic show.
I was asked by my pharmaceutical company to show a tour group of kids some interesting chemistry. This was in the mid 70s.
This was before my interest in magic. My jobs' predecessor had a notebook with some interesting chemistry tricks.

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Louis Tannen sold Balls of Fire from paper bag, look it up in their old catalogs. The ad read, reach into a paper bag and remove a fire ball. Do this again and again.

They use to sell Doves from Gloves, the opening effect was to set the gloves on fire. Both hands burning, and by rubbing your hands together, puts out the flames. Then remove the gloves and produce a dove. Chen Kai from South America used this effect for years in his dove and fire act.

I bought the several bottles of this mixture from the defunct magic company in Germany, Magic Hands. The only place you can handle the fire is from the bottom. So the cotton ball rests on the palm. With the gloves, the hands has to be perpendicular to the floor, or shooting up. Any other position, and you will get burnt.
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Stevens Magic once carried a device called "Canol Fire" (not sure of the spelling) that allowed you to dip your thumb in a liquid then light your thumb on fire with a flint. Diamond Jim Tyler showcased his Fireball effect on his "Pockets Full of Miracles" DVD using the device. Don't know if Stevens still carries this product, but it definitely allowed you to set yourself on fire. And it was impressive.
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I had the Tannens trick. No cold fire used. Just two gimmicks that got hot around the flame. I was a teen, I was trying to transfer the gimmick from hand to hand(it is not a ball by any means) and it the transfer around the heated gimmick was tricky and it dropped into a wicker basket and that started to burn and at some point I also burnt the carpet.

I did like their method for how they could appear from a paper bag or under the coat flaming. I was never sure if the wick material was asbestos.
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