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MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts |
I do own a copy of LV Kardma and agree, EXCELLENT!
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Lawrence O Inner circle French Riviera 6811 Posts |
One cannot compare the DVD series of Alan Ackerman and Roberto Giobbi's DVDs and books.
Alan shows the moves Roberto explains the move, its subtleties and all the details. Admittedly Alan went the other way than Roberto and started selling the writing of the sleights in his DVDs at Lybrary.com But without being negative about Alan, his work doesn't live up to the level of Roberto's work. Alan knows the moves, Roberto understands magic and shares his understanding of the sleights. I love books but, to learn sleights, DVD with proper explanations cannot be beaten. Somewhere else on the café, I give the reference on Mirror Neuronal chains that neurologists have discovered to form more easily with DVDs than with reading. In other words the quality of the DVD and the explanations coming with them is important for the quality and the speed of proper learning. Thus I insist that newbies should start with Roberto Giobbi in DVD and in writing. As a second choice I would place R. Paul Wilson's Royal Road to Card Magic DVD with Jean Hugard's book under the same title Daryl's Encyclopedia of Card Magic is a very good series and, in my opinion, superior to Alan Ackerman's series. I however sincerely consider that Roberto Giobbi's work is in a different category. No card specialist can spare it and checking the DVDs will make you realize what you missed in the books.
Magic is the art of emotionally sharing live impossible situations
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ryanalewis New user 67 Posts |
As I have come to the determination that my psche picks out all card tricks from the possibilties, I figure its time to devote some patience to learning more sleights.
After purchasing Identity, I became familiar with pains of the DL, and although I have got better just over the weekend of never-ending practice, its still tough. The "Erdnase" (excuse spelling) change in the DVD is great, it literally gets instant "wows" and that's not even the trick! I almost have this perfect now. That's how I got to this thread. As per Lawrence's post above, can I presume Card College is a good place for me to start? I'm a little ahead of the beginner as I have about 15-20 tricks, but I always find certain sleights challenging. NFW still gets me with the multi-card move... |
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ryanalewis New user 67 Posts |
Oh and to add to my post above, money is an object, so price to quality is unfortunately an important consideration for me as well.
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Ben Train Inner circle Erdnase never had 4639 Posts |
Card College, the books, were written just for you.
If you're reading this you're my favourite magician.
Check out www.TorontoMagicCompany.com for upcoming shows, and instagram.com/train.ben for god knows what! |
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
Just to throw in my three cents - I, too, prefer books. And I sure as h@ll have written enough of them for the magic fraternity. But, years ago I was talked into doing videos, which of course evenutally became DVDs. What I tried to do when making them was to teach the stuff as well as I've been told over the decades I teach in books. It's gratifying that so many have told me that I did accomplish that - that is, teach as well on film as on the pages of a book. But, personally? I still prefer books. HL.
[email]harrylorayne@earthlink.net[/email]
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
Oh, I meant to say - my books and DVDs were done "just for you"!
[email]harrylorayne@earthlink.net[/email]
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vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10960 Posts |
Reading books, dvds and videos are the best of both worlds
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Chris Inner circle lybrary.com 1178 Posts |
I wanted to add a comment on the Giobbi vs. Ackerman issue since I have worked with both performers, value both and even sell both of their products.
My summarized advice is this. If you are a bloody beginner or if you are not a quick study when it comes to cards then nothing beats Roberto Giobbi's products be it paper, DVD, or ebook which combines them both. Roberto is first and foremost a teacher. And in my opinion the best one I know - and I know pretty much all of them. However, if you are already a decent card magician and want to check out a move, then it is much better to download for $2-$4 one of the Ackerman move videos I offer, and take a look. Perhaps it is not what you wanted. Then you are not short a much larger investment into a book or DVD. And in many cases you will be able to pick up the move from Allan's demonstration. It is also always good to see how a pro does a certain move, even if you already know how it is done. The dedicated student can pick up little tips and subtleties from Allan's videos and improve his own technique. In the end I would get as much as possible about a certain move, from Giobbi, from Ackerman, from Daryl and anybody else who has something to offer - even good old Harry Lorayne who is a living legend when it comes to cards.
Lybrary.com preserving magic one book at a time.
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Lawrence O Inner circle French Riviera 6811 Posts |
Chris I agree with everything you say, even on an economical basis. My point was, as you confirmed it that Roberto Giobbi's is the way to go to learn or to recheck how, with time, our handling may have lost track of the original moves.
I think that you summed up everything when you underlined how Roberto has a unique pedagogic approach. I am a great fan and supporer of Daryl's style and lines and it is a fact that Alan Ackerman has a few subtle variants on some moves. Yet I support your claim that Roberto Giobbi is the way to go for learning or for revisiting our card technique and I really think that his DVDs are an important complement to his printed work. When I did looked at the DVDs after 50 years of card magic and study, I still was compelled to adjust certain moves of mine: the DVDs are that good (and I'm a book worm). Now, in his printed work, Harry is teaching a lot of tricks and some smart moves but I love getting into Harry Lorayne's books to explore tricks rather than sleights explanations, but that's me and maybe the strong tree of the quality of the tricks is screening the forest of sleights. I don't think however that Harry sees sleights outside their immediate use for effects, but Harry can speak for himself. At any rate, buy Roberto Giobbi's new DVDs (and I have no economical take in any of this), you won't blame me for that recommandation especially if you already own the books
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John Pilotzi Veteran user 321 Posts |
BOOKS, BOOKS, BOOKS! You learn so much more with NO temptation of inadvertant copying of the DVD magician. And, anyway - books look & smell great; they evoke memories in a way a lump of plastic can't! JP
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Peo Olsson Inner circle Stockholm, Sweden 3260 Posts |
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On 2010-01-12 08:31, John Pilotzi wrote: JP I couldn't agree with you more. I'm a bookworm more than a videoworm myself. For me the written word is magic in itself. The danger with DVD's, no matter how good they are, you are in the danger zone to imitate the performer, when you should do effects to suit your own style and personality. Can't happen if you read and study books.
Pictured to the left my hero and me during FISM 2006 in Stockholm.
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ryanalewis New user 67 Posts |
I was used to books/pamphlets that came with tricks and such for years, but now it seems self-contained tricks are an entire production with flashy music and animations.
I guess somewhere in-between is the best. Yet, to see something in full-motion does help solidify learning. I believe it has been proven that certain people respond to certain stimuli better, and I find that I learn best via bombardment! Thanks to the Card College suggestions, I'll also have a look around the book rack at the shop. |
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Jason Fox New user Washington, D.C. 48 Posts |
I agree with the Books being better then Video because it causes the writer to be more aware of the motions. I think lots of the videos flooding the market lack the same introspection as books, although it's still nice to see a master in action.
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muse Special user Scotland 925 Posts |
Like apples and oranges, however, it's perfectly possible to appreciate both and to savour the different flavours, without one being inherently 'better' than the other. Or maybe to get the best of both by having a fruit salad containing both. To each their own taste.
(Mind you, twist my arm, and I personally prefer apples, with the occasional orange. And books, with the occasional dvd). |
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mhend Regular user Kentucky 108 Posts |
I'm a 47 yo newbie who has recently taken the plunge. I love card magic and practice it daily. I started with Scarne on Card Tricks, followed by two Bannon effects, Duplicity and Royal Scam, and I just purchased HL's 4dvd Best series. as you can see I've spent some coin in the past three months.
that being said, in your opinion, have I gotten ahead of myself? should I put everything on hold and go thru Giobbi's CC? If so, why? Thanks!
"You should never, never doubt what no one is sure of." Willie Wonka
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Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts |
Mhend,
On this forum you'll generally find those that use both books and DVDs and those that swear by the books alone. Since this forum tends to skew a little older there aren't as many 'DVD Only' people here. In my opinion, when starting out it is best to use the DVDs because you can see a lot of the common moves done and you come to develop a frame of reference for various sleights. As you progress, though, you will likely find that books provide not only more bang for the buck in terms of number of effecs, etc., but also deeper discussions on specific sleights and performance considerations that aren't able to be captured on video. Most importantly, the books will make a lot more sense after having seen the videos. So, definitely pick up a book or two (and Giobbi's CC is a great first one to pick up) and try them out with an eye toward migrating more to the books as you progress on your journey.
Steven Keyl - The Human Whisperer!
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muse Special user Scotland 925 Posts |
Mhend - I'm also a 'late starter', and there's no reason not to do both (ie read Giobbi and others too) in my opinion. The information and teaching you get from the Giobbi books is excellent, but finding out what kind / style of card tricks best suit you will come from reading more widely too. And many of the other authors will also give you valuable insights into different sleights.
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Chappo Special user Bris Vegas 754 Posts |
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On 2010-01-12 08:31, John Pilotzi wrote: I am greatly enjoying the progression of this thread. I tend to see this as a very humanistic argument, as we humans (being a flawed species) are VERY prone to stubbornly adhering to extremes with few choosing the middle-path (per-say). I would like to think both DVD's AND books (GOODNESS!!!) have pro's and con's and complement each others shortcomings wonderfully. Reason why I have quoted you John is to say that DVD's may be easier to replicate, but books are just as susceptible to distribution in the seedy underworld of Torrents and File Sharing. Everything from Lorrayne through to Vernon, Fisher to Ortiz has been scanned and shared at some point... I have seen gits doing this, and they are FAR easier to distribute once they are in a digital format (.pdf, .doc) as they are one tenth the size of a DVD file.
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The 1st & the 2nd are practice... And the 3rd one is practice again - 'Magic of the Hands', Edward Victor (1940) |
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mhend Regular user Kentucky 108 Posts |
Thanks, guys. I'll keep pluggin away at HL's Best series and then hit Card College.
"You should never, never doubt what no one is sure of." Willie Wonka
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