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JimR New user 3 Posts |
Hi folks,
I posted this in the FCM forum but didn't get a lot of response. Maybe this is a more appropriate setting. Could you help me brainstorm a rope routine with a gospel application. I have plenty of effects available, I want to organize several of them into about a 5 to 7 minute routine for a children's sermon. I have already used a gospel version of Professor's Nightmare for this group so I don't want to repeat that effect. (If anyone is interested in my version of that, let me know and I will post) Ideas that have occurred to me are these: Cut & Restored rope illustrates sin cutting off our relationship with God. We can only restore it imperfectly (with knot) Only God can truly restore it. If the knot represents sin - we can slide it around but it's still there. Only God can remove it and restore us. Rope has a beginning and an end just like life. Create an endless circle out of the rope to demonstrate eternal life Do as I do Triple Rope Routine - Magician and 2 Spectators all tie 3 short ropes together, but magician's is restored. Demonstrates that man tries to use legalism to show how to restore relationship with God, but it's just an illusion. Looks good in theory but no one can actually follow the steps and make it work. Ring, Rope & Wand Ring represents person, Rope represents sin (Prov 5:22 "wicked...held fast in the cords of his sin." Rod (wand) represents authority. Ring/person bound up in cords of sin. Only thing that can release him is the authority of God. Ring jumps from cord to wand. Anyway, those are my thoughts so far. I'd like to end up with a 3 or 4 phase, cohesive routine. It doesn't have to include the above ideas - just has to use rope. Thanks, Jim |
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harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
Professors nitemare....
We can try to be good(small rope), better (middle) or the "BEST" Christian in the world. It is not by being good, but accepting Jesus. (ropes become equal) Harris fishers of men of kansas city
Harris Deutsch aka dr laugh
drlaugh4u@gmail.com music, magic and marvelous toys http://magician.org/member/drlaugh4u |
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Wes Holly Special user Cincinnati, OH, USA 644 Posts |
Jim,
It seems you have what you need. You have the props, techniques, and talking points. All you need to do is go into your practice room and start playing with each idea. You will be surprised how easily you come up with how this trick/patter will flow into this one, then that one, etc. Be sure to talk out loud while you practice, then write down the order of the routine, practice again, make changes, write them down, rinse & repeat. -Wes Holly- |
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John Long Inner circle New Jersey 2826 Posts |
Check out Panama Rope, you cut the rope into 4 pieces, and tie them together, Then the knots can pop-off at the end.
I produce the initial piece of rope from a M-glass. Talk about how God made us from the dust of the earth. A single piece of rope, represents a perfect relationship between God and man. Then, similar to your thoughts, I make the first cut, and relate this to Adam/Eve's sin and separation from God. The provision of animal skins is illustrated by tieing the pieces together, - but the relationship is no longer what it was. Sin continued, second cut and tie, .. Ending with the rope held horizontally between my hands (w/3 knots), I quote Jn 3:16 as the solution to this problem; the knots pop-off, and leaves us with a restored relationship with God. The grandmothers necklace principle can be use to illustrate getting freed from sin. I particularly like where this is modified to what is called a "post and ropes" method. The rope is wrapped around a placard(representing sin) that is attached to a rod(post). The rope is wrapped around the post (analogous to cords of fantasia), and the person remains tied up, until he lets go of the placard, and the ropes fall off.
Breathtaking Magic;
Not Breath Taking |
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JimR New user 3 Posts |
Thanks everyone for the great ideas.
Wes, thanks for the encouragement also. I struggled with coming up with a routine by thinking about it for a couple of weeks and just ended up discouraged and feeling like I had no creativity. Then I did what you suggested. I broke it down into the simplest ideas and started working with them one at a time. Suddenly stuff started to flow. You're right. I had everything I needed, I just needed to play with it. Thanks, Jim |
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harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
Prayers, meditation and than beginning....
Sometimes I sits and writes, sometimes I just sits..so action is key.
Harris Deutsch aka dr laugh
drlaugh4u@gmail.com music, magic and marvelous toys http://magician.org/member/drlaugh4u |
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REV BILL Special user Glen Burnie Maryland 795 Posts |
Take a look at Del Wilson's book from Dock Haley Gospel Magic .
Specializing in Family Entertainment,Gospel,Comedy and Educational programs for over 30 years.(Order of Merlin)
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John Long Inner circle New Jersey 2826 Posts |
Del Wilson has a series of booklets, each entitled "12 Gospel Tricks with a xxx".
One of these is for rope. They are reasonable good; they are worth reading. I've used them more as a starting point, and ways to augment something I was working on.
Breathtaking Magic;
Not Breath Taking |
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MagicBus Inner circle Kalamazoo, Michigan 2869 Posts |
Gospel rope routines on http://www.ChristianMagician.org:
More Than Magic #2: 13:36 minute mark/point on the video. Sheldon Rhodes: "Slim the naughty boy"- a fine multi-tricked routine. You can also buy a printed version of Sheldon's routine at http://www.JestKidding.com Brad Brown's gorgeous, wonderful non-Gospel rope routine is on Now That's Magic #1 at the 9:20 mark. Duane Laflin's rope routine based on John 14:6 is on Now That's Magic! #4 at the 2:28 mark. A very good routine with a variety of elements. Duane Laflin's Red/Yellow/Black/White rope routine based on John 3:16 is found at Now That's Magic #9 at the 32 minute mark. |
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Heres Tony Loyal user Orlando 259 Posts |
There's also a linking rope routine if you wanted to delve into joining the body of Christ. Also, I've do the ropes thru body in a Gospel presentation.
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MagicBus Inner circle Kalamazoo, Michigan 2869 Posts |
FAB Magic of Colon, Michigan, sells a rope through giant needle effect. Yep, you actually get a giant 3 foot plastic needle with the trick. I haven't figured out how to use it yet, obviously was thinking about the "easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle" Bible passage when I purchased it from Rick Fisher last summer at FAB during Magic Week. But it is very visual for sure.
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Rick Fisher Elite user Rick Fisher 471 Posts |
We have sold a bunch of em...the needle is actually made from wood. Thanks Roger!
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MagicBus Inner circle Kalamazoo, Michigan 2869 Posts |
Hey Rick- I still remember when you demonstrated the trick for me in the shop in Colon- great trick!!! I would like to tie it into Matthew 19:22-26 somehow, I terrific passage on the folly of riches, how God can accomplish the impossible, etc.. Still working on it, hope to have something by our May 15 videotaping... Maybe some other FCMers might have an idea. The trick basically has a rope passing through the body making use of the giant needle if I remember correctly... I purchased the trick immediately and placed it in my "think about" catagory... Haven't seen it used elsewhere yet.
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Rick Fisher Elite user Rick Fisher 471 Posts |
Thanks Roger..we try
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MagicBus Inner circle Kalamazoo, Michigan 2869 Posts |
MagicBob, SuZie, my wife and I will see you in the afternoon in Colon March 20- we coming into town to eat at Riverlake Inn (11 deer came walking up when we were eating there last time)and of course to visit Abbott's and FAB- should be a few magishes in town that day with the close up convention going on... Lookin' forward to it!
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MagicBus Inner circle Kalamazoo, Michigan 2869 Posts |
Just FYI: FAB Magic in Colon http://www.FABMagic.com sells "Through the Eye of the Needle" for $15- includes the 20 inch wood needle. This seems to be a trick begging for a good Gospel appiication. See the FAB web site, click on original products made by FAB. Interesting also to see on FAB's site "Things Go Bump In The Night" illusion owned by Doug Henning for $3,995. Betcha Dennis Loomis would love to own that... Dennis has been doing a bunch of columns about Doug in M-U-M magic magazine, Doug used to come to Abbott's all the time. Dennis too used to live in Kalamazoo in the seventies, I remember my Dad taking me to over to his house even before I could drive... ah, fond memories... Henning, Burton, King, Loomis, Seebach, Wright, Mullica and many others all used to come to Colon in their early years... Duane Laflin is there in Colon now every year, Barry Mitchell was there two years ago. Abbott's during the GetToGether for a zillion years (including previously with John de Vries, former FCM President) always sponsors a "Magi-Ministers" lecture there every year- now lead by Duane Laflin.
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Rick Fisher Elite user Rick Fisher 471 Posts |
Yes, the thoughts of all those folks who came,lived and worked there. After the Percy book we have another title we are already working on.
Colon Michigan MAGIC! Stories and rare pics of those who lived and worked here from the magic world like Gus Rap, Winston Freer, Tom Mullica, Neil Foster, Jerry Conklin and so many more...we found out we had so many pics and stories that we couldn't fit into the Percy book that we decided to start a separate book. I need three of me around here See you next week! |
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Dennis Loomis 1943 - 2013 2113 Posts |
Nope... I never lived in Kalamazoo. Visited there and performed there from time to time, but I was born and raised in Manistee, and also lived in Alma and Ann Arbor. In the seventies I was in Ann Arbor.
Dennis Loomis P.S. Yes, I would love to have the "Bump" but storing it would be a pain. I have a few small items that belonged to Doug (Henning) and lots of wonderful memories.
Itinerant Montebank
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MagicBus Inner circle Kalamazoo, Michigan 2869 Posts |
A pleasure to hear from you Dennis, wow. I do remember seeing you perform at Abbott's for sure- I think it was Dennis Loomis and Bonnie. I may be mistaken where I met you, thought it was at a house in Kalamazoo- may have been for a magic meeting. Both my brothers and myself graduated from UM, but I do remember meeting you for sure, my Dad was with me. It may have been at Hank Moorehouse's Magic Shop above the bicycle/toy store in Ann Arbor when I was a student there- and all of us were in A2 in the seventies. My wife was born in A2, we are still season ticket holders to UM football. I loved Ann Arbor in the Seventies (got engaged after walking through the Diag on April 1), still fantastic today. Miss Hank's well equiped shop though, he lives in White Pigeon when not traveling everywhere. I took no chances when getting engaged on April 1 in A2- if my wife had said "no"- my plan was to say "April Fools!". What a geek. Married 32 years now.
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MagicBus Inner circle Kalamazoo, Michigan 2869 Posts |
By the way Dennis, I do remember you doing the Zig-Zig at Abbott's if I remember correctly. I was acting as a stage assistant at that time for Don Zieglar of Kalamazoo who also did a Zig-Zag at Abbott's- all the rage back then. I remember too when Jim Sommers did his metallic version at Abbott's claiming it as his own invention- since written about in Genii I believe. The illusion I'd love to see again from the Seventies was "The Eclipse" as performed at Abbott's- where an enormous steel plate moved from one side of the stage to another (covered by paper) after slowly moon-like "eclipsing" from one side to the other. Just was so cool, and haven't ever seen it since... totally fooled me.
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