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magicfish Inner circle 7016 Posts 
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On 2010-05-01 04:12, Bill Palmer wrote: Interesting. I wonder why he collects Fulves. I know people collect everything from bananas to irons to brooms- who knows why. But I'd be very interested to know why Fulves. Rod. |
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24314 Posts
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It might be because Fulves is so prolific. He actually may have written more about magic than Walter Gibson.
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Rennie Inner circle I think I have about 1822 Posts
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[quote]On 2010-04-26 00:46, ekins wrote:
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For example, I bought a copy of Cards as Weapons (when they were going for $150-$200) for $15. I feel $15.00 is the actual true value of that book. I think it is the most overpriced book I ever saw. Contains no magic, but a few nude shots..Crazy!! Rennie
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ekins Special user Portland, Oregon 513 Posts
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On 2010-05-01 12:09, Rennie wrote: No disagreement there, but on the other hand if I can turn around and resell it to make some money for some good material I'm not going to complain. -Brian |
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Rennie Inner circle I think I have about 1822 Posts
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Brian,
I could not agree more. Sell it and use the money to buy a book that has something in it you can use. Rennie
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24314 Posts
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This illustrates a principle that occurs in the market sometimes. It's basically a "bump." This happens when someone wants something so badly that he will pay ANYTHING for it. Actually, it happens when two or more people want something so badly that they will pay ANYTHING for it.
Case in point -- The Red Book of Mentalism sold on eBay a few years back for $400.00 +. Then everybody wanted one. So Prism was printed. I don't know how well it sold, but the fact is that the fellow who paid $400+ for the Red Book did so because his time was worth more to him than $400 an hour. A set of Ross Bertram cups went for about $1800 on Martinka a few years ago. Then the cups started decreasing in value. Now they are about the same as they cost right before the big bump.
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gaddy Inner circle Agent of Chaos 3528 Posts
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As a used/antique book buyer for a large Chicago bookseller for several years, I feel I'm in a position to say that magic books are the some of the most schizophrenically valued books in the world! There is very little rhyme or reason to how/why some books are so highly prized and some are not, except for usefulness and fashionability.
Not that there's anything wrong with it, but it's very curious that fashion plays such a large role in the value of magic books.
*due to the editorial policies here, words on this site attributed to me cannot necessarily be held to be my own.*
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Mark R. Williams Regular user 193 Posts
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On 2010-05-03 18:09, gaddy wrote: I agree but isn't that usually true for any category of books? I collect Civil War books of various types including army manuals of the period and the same can be noted of them. The prices can be wildly divergent and the determining factors are not always evident. Heck, just look up the price of almost ANY book on an online book sitr such as ABE's and you will see prices ranging from giveaway to assinine!!!! Regards, mark
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Clay Shevlin Elite user 497 Posts
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I suspect there’s a lot of truth to Mark’s observation about the variability of book pricing. That said, to address gaddy’s comment about the schizophrenia of magic book pricing, I’ve often been amazed at the variance between the pricing by general book dealers and specialist magic book dealers. The only realistic explanation I can think of for this is that magic books are, by the “underground,” secretive nature of magic, seldom encountered in great quantities by general book dealers. Amongst specialist magic book dealers, prices are generally consistent. And of course, as Bill Palmer says, there are the “bumps” in prices as certain authors and sub-genres of magic books wax and wane in popularity. Goldston and Hoffmann were once all the rage a couple of decades ago, but demand – and thus prices – have tailed off.
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24314 Posts
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There is also a factor that includes the various categories that books fit into. Some people who are laymen are Houdini collectors. If you have a Houdini book for sale, it may appeal to magicians, collectors of Judaica, collectors of "roaring 20's" books, spy novels, you name it. So, at an auction, a Houdini book may conceivably have a much larger market than a book like Erdnase.
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Josh Chaikin Inner circle Kansas City 1430 Posts
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[quote]On 2010-05-01 12:09, Rennie wrote:
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On 2010-04-26 00:46, ekins wrote: I was talking with John Greget about that book a few years back. He had a copy that he had sold for $800. Of course the fact that it had a stamp on the title page that read "From the library of Doug Henning" may have had one or two things to do with it. |
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magicfish Inner circle 7016 Posts
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-Louis Tannen's Catalogue of Magic, No. 10
-Abbott's Catalogue, No. 16 |
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24314 Posts
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What condition are they in?
The last Abbott's #16 that went up on Kenna Thompson's auction was in 2005. It sold for $1.00 The last Tannen's #10 that went up on Martinka was part of a three catalog package with an opening bid for the package of $25. It did not sell. Usually, those two companies produce a LOT of copies of their catalogs. I'll check with some used book dealers at the San Diego convention.
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magicfish Inner circle 7016 Posts
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Thanks, Bill. They're both in very good shape, maybe better. There's not a mark on the Tannen's Catalogue, and the Abbott's still has the original crisp order sheet within its pages.
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24314 Posts
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I'm not sure why those particular catalogs didn't command a higher price.
If you put those up on eBay, you might be able to get somewhere between $5 and $20 for each of them. It's really a gamble.
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Kevin Connolly Inner circle New Jersey 1329 Posts
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I'm sorry to say, but one of the people who posted on this thread, MagiClyde, has passed away. I read it in the Magicians Helping Magicians(?) thread. What a real shame.
Please visit my website.
www.houdinihimself.com Always looking buy or trade for original Houdini, Hardeen and escape artist items. I'm interested in books, pitchbooks and ephemera. Email [email]hhoudini@optonline.net[/email] |
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24314 Posts
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That's too bad.
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panlives Inner circle 2087 Posts
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On 2010-05-03 18:09, gaddy wrote: Agreed. This is a very strong and important point to keep in mind when trying to assess the value of your book or collection. Combine bibliomania and a love of conjuration and 1 plus 1 will always equal 250. There is no gold standard and no cosmic scale that imparts value to anything, let alone a magic book (much as we may love them). The bottom line is the same for a Van Gogh as it is for a Dukes of Hazard tin lunchbox – both are worth precisely what a smitten buyer is willing to pay. Having said all this, I have the 128 page edition of Frank Garcia’s “The Very Best of Cups and Balls.” Unsigned. Copyright 1979. First Edition. Spine in good condition. Front and back covers show shelf wear (some white color chaffing against the light/solid blue). Bill – any sense of current market value? With thanks,
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24314 Posts
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I'll have to do some searching for that one.
I checked Martinka, and there hasn't been one up for sale there. I checked the past three years of Kenna Thompson's site with the same results. I'll check with Andy Greget when I get to San Diego.
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panlives Inner circle 2087 Posts
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On 2010-06-25 17:02, Bill Palmer wrote: Hi Bill, Thanks – I will await word from you. I also have Frank Garcia’s full-length Three Card Monte book, “Don’t Bet on It” (not the abbreviated booklet printed under the same name). The specs are the same – Unsigned, spine un-cracked, first edition, scuffed covers from shelfwear but otherwise a tight edition.
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