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miss_vega_bond
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Hey All!
I'm Vega Smile

Never posted on the Café before, always browsed, but finally needed to come rant about something - I hope someone can help!
I spotted this advertised on magicweek, and was appauled to read who could apply:

http://www.mgcofficial.com/

It is reaching out to both amature and pro magicians, but specifically male.
I have emailed the poster, matt parro, several times to enquire about what must be a mistake, because I'm not sure why an amature male was preferable to a professional female? I'm not getting any replies, so what I wanted to ask was, is there something males have that we don't that automatically makes them better magicians, no matter what level they are at?

Thoughts appreciated... Smile

x VB
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I don't think this if fair in this day and age. However, the information on his website and the information on his Facebook contradicts itself. On his Facebook, no gender is actually specified. Instead, it states: "looking for young and enthusiastic modern magicians between the ages of 16-30." If you really wanted to be involved with his club (and to test to see if this exclusion really is true), I would suggest joining the Facebook group and see what happens.
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Judging by the grammar I'd say this is a fairly young person (like 17) trying to get something going. It sounds more like a "business" than a club.

The core group they already have may be trying so hard to be "hip" (I'm not young) that their humor may be crude. Perhaps they can't picture a woman being a part of this. Their "unique" approach sounds sexist. I mean someone actually typed the word male into the copy.

Since they don't care if the applicants are amateur or Pro. it sounds like they are trying to scrape up a stable of cheap acts to send out while keeping a percentage for themselves.

While I haven't worked with an agency very often, when I do I prefer it to be one with some standard of quality for all the acts they deal with. If you're paying a percentage to an agency you should be paying them for their experience and ability to get high fees for good work. These scrape together agencies often just want someone to pass off the low paying unpleasant work to for a cut while keeping the best shows for themselves.

I have no proof, I'm just saying what it looks like. But I have seen this before.

- Mary Mowder
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Mary,

Thanks so much for your insightful reply. It does seem that this is the case - I think I will leave it :-S
In my lack of experience with many agents (I've had just the one for the past two years) I was intruiged with the fancy promise of lots of glamourous work!

I'm a little on my high horse, because I just hate any kind of prejudice, and its a SUPER discriminative ad, but it really does seem that what he means by 'young and enthusiastic' he rather means 'naive and inexperienced'.

Kabanning - I too think it's unfair - I'm going to contact magicweek to ask them to remove the link, I don't think it's right that they endorse such a sexist ad.
I think individuals should be judged on skill rather than gender, while I am very much humbled at the skill of many magicians that I am blessed to know of either sex, I really wanted to go in there, guns blazing with some nice moves just to be a good feminist Smile
I still might pull a joan d'arc and go in disguise - wonder if I could finish a close up audition with a full costume change! hehheh >:-)


Thanks very much for replying ladies xx

V
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Hmm...

Some thoughts come to mind apropos of *another* ad we saw awhile back that was looking very specifically for unattached females... but I think I'll just keep them to myself...

Whatever is going on here, I think it is probably lacking enough in class that you wouldn't want to be involved anyway.
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The truth is that I don't know the details here. However, having experience as a professional magician in both trade shows and runway modeling shows, there are times when gender certainly is a factor. The product or event can determine that.

Generally, I do agree, gender is seldom a factor. I am also married to female magician with her own show. (Lucy here on The Magic Café.)

There are even occasions when the performer must be female. (Look at sponsors for cosmetic trade shows, etc.)

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Fair enough, Bob. And sure, I can see where there are times and places where gender can matter in any profession. For instance, my friend Vicki often gets asked to speak at functions for organizations devoted to female execs and entrepreneurs, and I never do Smile

This one though just smells strange, *shrug* Your nose may vary.

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Thanks very much for replying ladies xx


Bit of reverse bias there? *nudge nudge* Smile
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I think Mary’s analysis is spot on, probably a young inexperienced person (male) that did not think it through. I’m not totally surprised. Discrimination still exists in the world, but why worry about this insignificant organization when there are many magic clubs that welcome women with open arms?
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And the fact that they don't want anyone over 30 maybe should be read as "or anyone we have to pay very much or that knows more than us" . . . you're not missing out on anything by staying away from them Miss Vega Smile
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I gotta tell ya...I've often wondered why we don't have more females performing the classic magic acts we all are so familiar with. Some of the most breathtakingly beautiful performances I've ever seen are female magicians. I have one favorite I can't stop thinking about. She is Galina from the Ukraine. Here's just one act of hers (The Floating Ball):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnmORbVSR6U

another couple of clips (linking Rings):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGdTpHJLNXo&feature=related

and,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACLgzTvB7rk&feature=related

Sorry...I have been SLAYED by her. I'm now a useless blubbering slob compared to her performances. My magic is like a kid playing with toys compared to this.

Ladies, PLEASE do magic! I know there are more Galinas out there. Randi Rain, Miss Vega Bond, Mary Mowder...you're all beautiful! I wish I could see you all perform!

Bashfully,

Doug
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That was more then just a floating ball, but it was absolutely magical Smile

And god love her if that her real hair. My wife had hair half that long when we met and it was a real chore to keep in good shape...
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Yeah, Cyberqat...(sigh). When I first saw her, I wondered, "Why are there not more female magicians?" I'm 54, never been married, and just LOVE to watch a talented woman dance, act, sing, and just within a few years discovered female magicians DO exist! The first one I ever saw was Melinda. I taped that show and watched it over and over.

My last couple of girlfriends HATED magic, and did not encourage me in the least.

Then I discovered YouTube. For all its faults (exposure, bad quality video, and such), I found that Goddess, GALINA. It's heartbreaking she's in the Ukraine. I'll probably never see her "live". She took that levitation to a WHOLE 'nuther LEVEL!

Now I understand there are a LOT of beautiful women (sorry to sound like a cad) who do magic! Where ARE they? And how can I get to SEE them (without going to YouTube)? Oh, well. Here's hopin'!

Doug
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Hmm. Finding magic acts in this country tends to be tough. Vegas is your best bet though, although I know of some couples who have had acts there, I can't think of any just female magician acts.

Part of the issue in Vegas of course is that its traditionally fairly sexist and male-oriented. (They do have male nude reviews, I noticed, last time I was there, but if I had to guess I'd say the bulk of the audience for those were gay males, just like its always been for "Playgirl" magazine. I could be wrong, though.)
I'm sure a stripper who did some magic could get a gig, but I don't know if a real female magician who kept her clothes on could or not....
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P.S. Oh and I agree, there is something VERY sexy about a pretty female magician with her clothes on Smile
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Miss Vega,

I apologize for hijacking your thread...I hope you don't think I'm a pig.

Your question, "...reaching out to both amateur and pro magicians, but specifically male...I'm not sure why an amateur male was preferable to a professional female? is there something males have that we don't, that automatically makes them better magicians, no matter what level they are at?"

I cannot imagine that. Amateur OR professional, if a female has an act that is exciting, magical and entertaining, there is NO reason on God's green EARTH, why she wouldn't get a gig.

I kid around a lot, but in all seriousness I still think women are unfairly treated. It's sad. Especially beautiful women. Guys can be absolute PIGS. No doubt about it. I'm constantly embarrassed, by friends who "hit" on girls they don't even know, making a complete ASS of themselves.

I get the "cold shoulder" from women a LOT, and can't really blame them. If I was a really good looking guy, I might think differently, but alas, my looks would make a TRAIN take a dirt road! LOL!

Yes, Cyberqat, I agree with you! There is nothing sexier! I don't particularly care for nudity. That's just me, though. That's a real private INTIMATE thing, in my opinion. Your mileage may vary...

Doug
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I think Miss Vega has left the building...(echo)
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Sorry, I'm here!
I don't think you hijacked my thread Smile
Have to agree, think Galina is very talented, just checked her out.
xx VB
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Miss Vega, may I ask, if you have a clip of one of your performances? I'd love to see your magic.

Doug
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Hey Doug,
Feel free to check me out performing with my stage partner Sam Beedle on youtube, just search Sam Beedle and Vega,
but that is very very very old from a couple of years ago. Since then we have had a total image change and now perform quirky routines in a twisted circus, almost tim Burton style, and we will be shooting some better quality stuff in the next couple of weeks, would you like me to keep you posted?

xx VB
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Yes, I would Vega! I just watched every one of those videos. My gosh...this should be on National TV!

I don't know what to say. I now have a new favorite female magician! Galina is HISTORY with me. I think YOU are absolutely beautiful. I had to watch Dark Fire again. Sam is a great magician, but I couldn't keep my eyes off of YOU! You are a great distraction, LOL (you also have GORGEOUS legs ~blush~)!

I saw you do the color changing silk, and you made me laugh. You also have great skill with cards, and the appearing flowers in the Oriental act was superb! I just wish it was better resolution, as YouTube tends to be blurred a bit. And NOW I know where the "Razorblade Kiss" came from. Fantastic!

Wow. I have been SLAYED once again. I am just sitting here, like I'm on Demerol, or something...don't get me wrong, this is not my normal reaction. It takes a LOT to even get my attention. You have my RAPT attention, Miss Vega Bond. Yikes, I'm blubbering like a fool, again. Forgive me. Do you ever perform in the United States? I cannot imagine you and Sam having ANY trouble getting a gig.

I'd better stop here, before I make a further fool of myself. Please DO keep me posted!

XX OO
Doug
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Gosh we would love to go to the states, but have no idea where/how to start!
Thanks Doug for the mighty praise - I'm more than a little bit flattered.
Can I see your work, too?

Ohhh... BTW, the razorblade swallowing is a little different now... I do it by myself to a poem that ends with that phrase!

I absolutely PROMISE to keep you posted xx

xx Vega
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Hi Miss Vega!

Sadly, YouTube wasn't invented yet, when I was performing. I used to do hospitals, nursing homes, church groups, and private parties. I made pretty good money at the time, which was 1977 -1980. I'm a radio announcer/DJ by trade. I had taken a three year break back then, and made money doing magic.

Today, I rarely perform, as I lost EVERYTHING in a house foreclosure (long story). The few things I did keep were a few Rice silks, a Rice Simplex Dye Tube, a Rice Palmo Ball, my Vernet T.T. and my coins (4 Ike Dollars w/expanded shell, and a quarter expanded shell), oh, and a set of Ireland Multiplying Golf Balls & Shells.

That's it. I found I really don't need much more than that. I do my own version of Astrosphere, and I will get one of those again. The Zombie is another, but I imagine YOU could do that SO much better than I. Wow, I could just picture you, dressed in black, with a dragon cloth and the 5 inch Zombie Ball. I especially like that mini dress! Really, you should think about that. The Zombie would really be cool, and I bet you could really come up with unique performance!

~Whew~! I'm sitting here with my eyes glazed over. You could really do anything I've ever done, with more class than I've even imagined. I'm still blown away by that Razorblade Kiss. Done by yourself with poetry...YOW! I'd love to see THAT!

I would be SO fortunate just to vanish a COIN for you! Not bragging, but I've gotten pretty good at that. Maybe some day...thanks for keeping me posted!

Your new fan,
Doug
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This is for you Doug,
Her Freakshow


Her Magic filmed April 2014.


She has moved on but if you'd like
to get in touch with her again.

Jasz Vegas at www.JaszVegas.co.uk or info@jaszvegas.co.uk
Her magic management is at info@greenfairyproductions.com).

She's a very cool chick...
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WOW! Thank you Devious! Jasz Vegas...incredible! Smile
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The ad that inspired this thread can no longer be found. (Taken down? It IS a pretty old post) But, reading between the lines, it looks like Mary hit the nail on the head.

However, Bob Sanders made a good point ... If an advertiser is looking for a male magician, is that necessarily sexist? I think not. Art is subjective. But, the person who gets to exert his or her artistic vision on a production is the producer. As an artist, it is my job to show the producer that I have the qualities he/she is looking for. As Bob Sanders pointed out, there could be any number of reasons why a buyer may specify a man doing the magic. Maybe not in this particular ad. But in some instances.

Once I didn’t get the job because I was a blonde. No use in wondering why a blonde couldn’t have the job. Maybe the act just before the magician’s spot was a Marylin act.
Whatever. I found that my focus should be on developing my “voice”, my persona. That is what sets us apart, much more than gender ... or hair color. (grin) And the development of one’s voice is the challenge that women and men face equally. There are differences, yes. But it still all boils down to “Who are you?”

I try to stay away from the victimized mentality when it comes to gender. The folks who genuinely discriminate are rare, and are not worth our time … except maybe to push us to be an even better magician. And, the folks who don’t want to hire a woman for some good reason have just told me how to get the job! In sales, objections are our best friends. When a buyer tells me why (s)he cannot buy my product, they have actually told me what challenge to overcome to be the act they are looking for.
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And now she's on TV...
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Welcome to the Café, samjackgreen! TV?? Vega? I miss her. She is unique. A fascinating person! One in a BILLION! We had many PMs. I hope she is still my friend. If she even remembers me, that is...

Doug
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