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Andy Leviss recently released his new linking rubberband routine called "Linked-4-Life". It looks like a great routine with one band permanently linked to another band.
Has anyone bought the manuscript and given a review?. The price isn't too bad but I want to know if it's really workable material?

Thanks! Success!!!

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Here is a quick review:
Effect: You cleanly show 2 different color rubber bands, stretch one out, and touch the other band to it, and it visibly links to the stretched band, and both can be handed out to spectator!
I love rubber band tricks, and when I received this, and after reading the clear instructions, etc., I was doing it in about 1/2 hour, which means everyone else can do it in half the time. It is a very quick effect, but you can stretch (no pun intended) it to about 15 seconds. There are many linking band effects out there, but this is the best I have seen to date, since there are no tricky moves, etc. A perfect ice-breaker, opener, and highly recommended. 10/10 Smile Smile Smile
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler." (Einstein)...
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Thanks for the great feedback, Joseph! I'm anxious to hear what others think, so don't hold back!

I actually have a tip for those who have bought this. I got two e-mails today from people who bought it and have been having trouble making the linked sets, so I figured I'd post the same thing I sent them in case anybody else has had trouble.

I've found that most people tend to err on the side of too much glue, which is why I emphasized using the tiniest drop possible in the instructions. If you're having lots of trouble getting the ends to join, though, it's possible you're not using enough.

Try adding a little bit more glue--there's a balance to be found between too much and too little, too little won't make the rubber melt, too much and you'll end up with a fragile glue joint instead of a strong bond.

One trick that sometimes works is to put a bit of the glue on a piece of paper, and then very gently touch the end of the band to the glue (this is the way Dan Harlan teaches to make it on his video). You have to be careful to just barely kiss the surface of the glue, and not to actually dip the end in. This way you'll get an even, thin layer across the end of the band. It's very easy to use too much glue doing it this way, but you may find it easier to try.

In general, you may find it easier to start by erring on the side of too much glue, and then you can start working backwards and using a bit less each time until you get a perfect bond.

Also, make sure you're holding the bands together long enough for the bond to form before you roll them (5 seconds seems to be good in my experience), and that you're holding them as steady as you can. The bond should be strong at that point, but not entirely dry. Then wait at least 30 seconds before you tug on the bands to test the bond.

One other tip--make sure you're evenly spreading the glue on the entire cut end. If it doesn't, the joint won't hold up.

--Andy
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I just got this effect and I am sold. I'll admit that I have only tried it out on my wife and daughter but they tend to be my most jaded audience and they were blown away.

I generally restrict myself to mentalism but I can't seem to break the habit of occasionally picking up very visual close up. About half the time, I find out it isn't quite as visual as the ads or even videos make it seem. Maybe it's just when it's in my hands, I don't know. What ever the case, this is one I picked up quite quickly and instantly fell in love with.

Call me "Hooked-4-Life"
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Andy
Any British dealers you know of who stock this? Thanks.

Regards
Peter
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This sounds very much like something I'd like, I perform CMH all the time.

Could this be used after CMH? Do the bands have to be different colors?

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On 2003-07-15 18:10, doofydafus wrote:
Andy
Any British dealers you know of who stock this? Thanks.

Regards
Peter


Andi Gladwin, the second half of A2 productions is from the UK Peter, so if you contact him I'm sure he'll help you out...

Tell him I sent you!

andi@andigladwin.co.uk
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doofydafus,
As Montz mentioned, Andi and I do sell to the UK, but I haven't had a chance to ship stock over to Andi yet on this effect, so I'm filling those orders from here. True to our word, however, we're not charging extra for the shipping to the UK, since it's our fault, and not yours!

Otherwise, I don't know of dealers offhand, but I just sent a huge order to Murphy's, who is distributing to dealers for me. Ask your local dealer for it, and if they don't have it, you can ask them to order it for you from Murphy's (http://www.murphysmagic.com.

MagiCat,
You don't need to use two different colored bands, but it looks better that way (for the exact same reason that using bands of the same color makes CMH work, ie because the colors make the separation/link easier to see).

You could do it after CMH, but you'd have to do some sort of switch or addition. If you get the effect and have trouble working out a switch that works for you, e-mail me and I'll see if I can help out. I've done it a few different ways, both standing and seated, including a very bold switch while being burned by a video camera on a projection screen at the Magic on Manhattan convention in 2000!

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I have finally got some bands to work as Andy mentioned in his post. I have not tried to see if they break apart or not, but hopefully they will stay together.
I found that cutting the bands at an angle did not work so I cut them straight, and it worked better.

Thanks again for the help Andy.
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No problem, I'm glad to hear you're having a bit more success with it! And thanks for sharing your experience, now that you mention it, I can see where the angle cut is a trade off--it gives a stronger bond since there's more surface area, but it's also harder to line things up right, since you're moving in two directions at once.

Be sure to let us know how things pan out once you get to try the effect out! :o)

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Hello,

I just recieved this manuscript and was not impressed. I still think Michael Ammar's Crazy Mans Handcuffs is still the best value for your dollar.

Sorry guys, but $20.00 is just way to much to spend for another rubberband effect.
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Chris,
If I can be so bold as to ask what might be a silly question, if you feel $20 is too much to spend for another rubberband effect, why did you spend $20 on it? Nobody forced you to.

I'm sorry you don't like the effect, although I wish you would tell us what exactly about it you don't like, and not compare it to an effect that has nothing to do with it other than that both use rubber bands. That's like saying you don't like "The Coin in Bottle", and that you feel "ThreeFly" is a better value. They're two completely different effects, with nary a common factor aside from the prop used.

--Andy
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I am still trying to make the linked sets and to no avail. I have at least did it 50 times. Andy I have tried all the info you have gave but still I can't get it to work.
I guess it is just me. I will keep working at it.
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Hmm...that's weird that you haven't been able to get at least one set. You might want to try a different brand of glue, to see if maybe with a slightly different formulation you'll have better success.

If it makes you feel any better, I sat down to make a few sets last night, and for some reason or another, even though I was doing it exactly the same as I always have, and using the same container of glue I used last time I made some sets, it just wouldn't take, and I couldn't get one to bond. I finally just put it down and figured I'd try again tonight.
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Andy,

I've just got this manuscript. Thank you - this is the real work on this routine.

Lee
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Another thought for those having trouble making the linked set--make sure your scissors are clean before cutting the band. I think part of the problem I had last night was that I had recently used the scissors to cut open a foil packet of lotion, and there was some oily residue on the blade which managed to get on the band ends and my hands.
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The one thing which had hindered me from buying this manuscript is probably the fear of never really using it because making the linked sets would be to difficult and time consuming.

Just as an idea, Andy, would you ever consider perhaps selling linked sets in bulk? I really believe that spectators enjoy keeping the linked sets as a souvenir (who wants a signed card?), but do to the tedious work involved I think that this would not only be difficult, but, as stated above, very time consuming. Just a thought.

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The fact that not even a prototype is included was definitely a turn-off for me.
For others with more time and inclination to create their own stuff, I suppose it wouldn't be a problem.
For me, though, it's a definite problem.
If one were, say, the Martha Stewart of magic, I imagine it would be no big deal at all to cut your own rope for Professor's Nightmare, or to build your own reel for a ring flight, or maybe even stitch together your own top hat to produce the rabbit you hand-delivered in your animal lab.
There's just something about the "Some Assembly Required" mentality I have never liked.
And, candidly, I'm no good at it.
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JoJo,
That's why I went out of my way to make it clear in the ad that you got a DIY manuscript; I know there are people who are not willing to or interested in making it for themselves, and I didn't want them to expect to get something they weren't.

JoJo and Jakks,
The reason it's not included, and the reason I can't at this moment offer them for sale, is that manufacturing magic isn't my full time job, and doesn't make enough money to support me if I tried to make it that. To make a small pile of linked sets for my own performance takes a very little while while watching TV, as it would for anybody once taking a bit of time to practice the technique. Yes, there's a bit of a time investment to learn it at first, but once you get the knack down, it's fairly easy to do while you're watching tv, listening to the radio, etc.

The problem comes with scale, however. To make enough to sell would take up all my time, for relatively little return. Even if I made just one sample set for each manuscript, I'd already have had to make 300!

If I were to sell them in bulk, I'd have to make thousands. And that would take a lot of time. To be able to take that much time and still make enough money to survive, I'd have to charge so much that nobody would buy them.

I'll keep my eyes open to see if I can find another way to have them manufactured, and I'll certainly let you know if I do, but given the current method, it's very easy for somebody with a little practice to make as many as they need as they need them, but it's entirely impractical for me to end up making them in large quantities.

The best I can do is continue to make it clear to potential purchasers that there is "some assembly required", as with all other published methods for permanent linking bands (the exception of Anders Moden's very heavily gimmicked "Ebony and Ivory" noted), and know that those who aren't comfortable making their own sets won't purchase it, or at least will know what they're getting when they do.

--Andy

P.S.-I have offerred on occasion to make up a few sets for people who've purchased it on an individual basis. It's not something I can do on a large scale, but as time allows, I'm generally not adverse to helping folks out who contact me for a reasonable price (I'm not looking to make a huge profit off of linked sets, but I do need to charge enough to cover my time, since I also have to make sets for myself and work my regular job).

I can't make any guarantee that this offer will be available forever; if somebody asks every once in a while, that's one thing, but if I suddenly get a large flood of requests, I'm going to have to turn them away.
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Ah, thanks for your consideration. I for one think you are probably the best, out of anyone I've seen, at handling questions or critiscism (check out my Card Thru Window thread in secret sessions to see what I mean Smile).

I will probabaly buy it in the near future, in spite of myself.....Do you think there will ever be a demo video?

Jakks
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Yup, Larry, got the PM, definitely something I'll consider!

Jakks,
Thank you for the compliment, that means a lot to me, even more than reading compliments abou the effect itself (not that I mind those, LOL). Effects come and go, but I'm here for the long run, so that's what matters the most. And I realize that even if somebody doesn't like one particular effect, it's nothing personal, and there's always next time.

As for a video, that's probably the most asked question I've gotten about this effect since I first mentioned it here a while ago. At this point, I'm pretty sure there's not going to be a video. The primary reason is that I have yet to see a single creator who has not had a bad experience posting a video.

If people would only watch the video once or twice to see what the effect looks like to an audience, that would be one thing. But a majority of the people who watch demo videos (or at least those who are vocal about it) apparently have little better to do with their time than to watch the videos over and over and over again in an attempt to tear the effect apart.

Often, they'll find one minor flaw in the performance (which, in reality, usually has nothing to do with the method), and then assume they've figured it out and start publicly trashing the effect, based on their incorrect assumption from watching a poor quality video dozens of times.

Watching a narrow frame, close-up video, without presentation, misdirection, etc. is a bad enough represenation of the reality of an effect if it's viewed once. Viewed repeatedly with the intent of overanalyzing the effect instead of just admitting one likes the effect and buying it, there's no way for the creator of the effect to win.

I don't own a camera, so I can't make a video myself. As a favor, a friend tried making a few videos of it for me, but there was always something that, if I viewed it repeatedly, looked like a "move". None of these were actually a part of the method, but regardless, to those intent on tearing the effect apart, they'd provide the perfect target.

I'd personally rather wait for the first round of orders to go out, and then for the people who are more cautious to wait until they can see somebody who has bought the effect perform it in real life. I just don't want to subject myself to what I've seen so many other creators go through.

I wish I could post a video, because it looks absolutely killer, but too many vocal posters here have ruined it for everybody.

In the meantime, if anybody ever catches me at a convention or gathering, I'm always more than happy to demo it in person. I can guarantee that if you like rubberbands, and you see it performed well, you'll love it!

--Andy
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Andy,

Today, I went to office max and got an 1100 pack of rubber bands and made about 15 sets of prelinked bands and began racking my brain for a suitable visual link that ended with empty hands and the bands for the spectator to keep.
Three hours later I realised how much of a genius you are to have created a method that fits in the guidelines stated above that is actually workable. And I realised that making the bands isn't really that difficult at all!
Tommorow I am going to be ordering this not only out of my intial interest, but my extreme curiosity to see how you worked out a good method for this effect!

Jakks

P.S. I did finally come up with "something", but it was really angley.
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Andy -

I rarely post compliments for effects. It seems that every effect out there gets all these rave reviews on the Magic Café, many of which when I purchase the effect, I end up disappointed. However, I have to make an exception here. I think this is a wonderful effect and I appreciate your sharing the effect with us.

Thank you.

Carl
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Andy is there any way to make a video clip of how to glue the bands, I still can't get it for some reason. I have even had my wife to try but no luck. I can't do this until I get a few sets of the linked bands. Steve
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Steve,
I'll see what I can do, but I don't have a camera, so I can't promise for sure.

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Well, it is honestly impossible to hide the joint (I hear that a lot when walking through back alleys) :lol
:), but just try a self holding magnifying glass and a well lit area with a white background. Also, get some glue that has skin guard so that it won't bond to skin instantly...that way you can pinch the joint when you first press the edges together. Then release it and lay it on some wax paper. That's how I do it and I've made about 20 sets.

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I have had the problem of the super glue sticking to my skin when pinching them together and when I remove my fingers one end of the band is stuck to my fingers. I can link my finger to the band perfectly LOL.
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Firstly, I've read through this whole topic and it stirred up a few nudges in me. I won't let 25 yrs experience get in the way either.

To me BOTH Andy and Andi are of the right stuff. That covers the gamut, for me that's originality and integrity. I've read (or viewed) every recent pub of linking band effects released over the past year or two. Of this type effect, L4L gets the Honors.

Next, a prior post remarks about Ammar and CMH. Does he know it's origin and the version M.A. did at first and understand it's only M.A.'s handling/routining.

Another note. Price. If one saw all the prior's, they'd know that they're in the same price range, and they are not as good, and none of them gave a set of bands either.

Well, to the point, my fingers are sticking together also. Smile... This isn't a first attempt at making bands either. But now, with L4L I can't (won't let myself) just drop it and say later. That wouldn't be in my best interest.

Has anyone not used super glue and used something else that works? Any glue tips would be appreciated.

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I agree the super glue is not working there has to be a better way.
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Keith,
Actually, the creator of "The Penetrating Bands", which Michael Ammar renamed "The Crazy Man's Handcuffs", was Arthur Setterington.

As for linking the bands, be sure and get the Krazy Super Glue. Most of it has a "Skin Won't Bond Instantly!" thing. Here is how I make my bands.

Take two rubber bands, a pair of scissors, glue and set up your space.

Setting Up Your Space

  • Take a large white piece of paper and lay it on a table.
  • Take a stationary (or hands free) magnifying glass and set it up so that it is looking directly at the white paper.
  • Place All Materials on Table
  • Smile


Linking the Bands

  • Take the scissors and cut one band at an extreme angle.
  • Put the other band over and onto this rubber string.
  • Being sure the band is not twisted, align the ends of this rubber string. No carefully pull them about an inch apart and maneuver them so that both ends are accessible, with one hand free.
  • Place a VERY small amount of glue onto one end of the broken band , drop the glue and hold the two ends together without touching the glue part.
  • About 10 seconds later pinch the joint carefully, aligning the bands "perfectly".
  • Lay the bands on the paper gently after 30 seconds and let them dry.


The magnifying glass helps out immensely. Just try it again and again and again and again and again and again. You'll eventually make a pretty good set. And most spectators won't even find the joint when they look straight at it. They will pass it off as "Where they made the band.", like a manufacturing mistake.

Jakks
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