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Last night I saw him do a trick where he took some change out his pocket and shook it in his hand. Then had the spectator guess how much change he had and they where always right. Does anyone know where I can find this at?
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On 2010-09-02 21:27, daffydoug wrote:
What's plots?


I think TWOCAN is suggesting the trick is staged. In other words the spectators were stooges.
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Criss Angel using stooges? You've got to be kidding.
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Yes, he does use stooges. I interviewed a person who reneged on his contractual obligations to not divulge his stooge status. He had to pay a huge penalty.
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Criss took him to court?
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That might be, Daff'. PM me, and I'll tell ya what a Non Disclosure Agreement can do to you.

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Why not tell us all?
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It's probably personal.
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Hey all, about four months ago I started performing a new creation of mine called "pocket change -TM". I documented it's creation and shared the effect via online, password protected video with a handful of friends.
Since the new CA special I've been investigating, and rumor has it that one of the 7 people I shared it with may have mentioned it to someone who mentioned it to someone... and it got back to Criss' organization.
Three of the individuals I shared the effect with definitely know folks in the Criss Angel Camp. Two of them know him personally...
The effect is the same only mine uses no stooges. I've been killing with it but haven't tipped the method to anyone...
Release date for the effect was planned for about 2 weeks ago, but I wasn't happy with the prototypes and redesigned it several times. tonight the mold has been poured and it will finish curing by tomorrow. Wish I had put it out at least 3 days ago!
I will be releasing Pocket Change this weekend.
Now here's the question: Could it possibly be coincidence that I create and start performing a trick where spectator names an amount of change and it's exactly what I have in my pocket, and then Criss Angel performs the effect within weeks (albeit different method/methodless)? My guess is news of the effect got out, they liked the idea, and they decided to "publish" the performance of it, and heck who needs a method when everyone's in on it?
Coincidence??? I think not, what about you? What are your thoughts?
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A year ago I created an effect called "Sudden Change" that reads differently than yours as a spectator calls out any number "spent" between 1-100 and you instantly dump the exact coins required to match that number on the table.

I offered this effect to several people in return for a review -- especially comments after they performed it. None of them ever performed it -- claiming it was too difficult to remember.

The point is that many people may have come up with a way to produce the same end result using different methods -- and even prompted by open discussion of the idea. Your posting a description of your effect here may inspire others to come up with a method. Innovation often requires a seed, but that doesn't mean someone copied you. Many assume that a new effect must be "derivitive," i.e. a modification or distilation of an existing effect. Most of my new effects are "non-derivitive" in that I envision an end result and then figure out how to get there -- often creating new sleights along the way. This doesn't mean the Sleights/Moves are "original" -- just that in created them out of "whole cloth."

There are some magicians who would say that nothing is truly original as it must be based on some effect or idea seen or read in your past. Your thinking on "making change" may have been inspired by any of several gaffed effects in which the coins total a certain amount. Enjoy the thrill of having innovated something new "for you" -- that joy cannot be taken away by another's claim or performance. The problem comes in where you wish to sell an original effect. There is always someone who will claim they thought of it first -- even if you explore every book ever written. The "flip side" is that you cannot claim "ownership" even if your published date proceeds another person's.

Then there is the "Myrddin Current" that some believe connects all magicians ...

I'd be happy to swap methods with you to illustrate.
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Hey Funsway,
Thanks for that! I agree with everything you say, I must clarify my own suspicions, I don't think that anyone copied me, only that the timing on all of this, plus the fact that I only shared it with a few people, 3 of which to associate with some of Cris' team tells me that the "routine" not the method etc, probably became the topic of discussion and resulted in the effect on the special.
I hate the fact that if you post something, it's hard to type in one's tone. I'm not at all angry or upset, in fact very excited, regardless of HOW the effect ended up on the special, and I don't completely rule out coincidence, the timing is GREAT for me. Here's a super simple, easy method to do that effect and right when people want to do it!
I'd love to discuss the methods with you pm me and we can swap emails etc.
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On 2010-09-03 20:26, daffydoug wrote:
It's probably personal.


That it is. I CAN tell you, if you are ever a stagehand where David Copperfield appears, you will sign a Non Disclosure Agreement. It is a lifetime contract. No expiration. If you ever are suspected of breaching that contract, you are responsible for the loss of the income of over 100 people who work for David.

They will sock you for the maximum. D.C.'s staff are loyal and fiercely protective of David's secrets and methods. I was part of that team. You wouldn't believe how talented and precise that team is. You never see what goes on backstage and behind the scenes. An absolute SYMPHONY of precision and grace. I understand their tenaciousness. I will always respect and admire the Copperfield team, as well as David himself. His secrets will stay with me. I wouldn't want to be guilty of breaking that NDA. Others have. Others have paid.

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There is an old bar trick called "Pocket Change" that has been around for ages. It doesn’t directly have a spectator name the amount of change in your pocket but it does involve the performer comparing pocket change with a spectator and making a prediction that is "fulfilled" by a simple deceptive count of the change.

This can't be what you all are talking about, could it? This one has been published numerous times and is at least several decades old.

Thanks!

Jim
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No -- in both mine and Solano's approach the spectator names an amount of money and you produce coins that equal that amount. His "exact change" is pulled from his pocket while mine is just poured from your hand. Not sure about the Chris Angel presentation. Thus, the "new way" is not a prediction, but a production of coins to match a specific criterion that changes with each spectator.

My motivation for creating this effect came from the fact that clerks no longer count back change -- but instead just dump whatever the computer says into your hand or a dish. PM me Jim if interested.
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I watched this effect on his TV show where he is in the box up in the aitr over the canyon. I enjoyed this episode 1,000 x better than the first one of the season. If anyone has ever watched a special effects from a B class movie while that's all I can say.

When I saw this effect a few thoughts came to my mind, the most obvioust being, I SWEAR I JUST SAW THAT GIRL IN A GREEN DRESS and tattoos EARLIER in the crowd. She is an earlier presentation where he lights the paper on fire. I would bet $ the rest of the ladies are there as well. As we all know the method is stooges.

I actually venture to say that the VAST majority of his stunts are done in front of ALL-PAID employees who ACT.

Also the notion that he doesn't use any special effects which I have heard from people in the past is just ludacris. Just watch episode 1.

Anyways, what I wanted to add was I watched some of his mastermind DVDs where he teaches a few "mindfreaks" and he ADMITS to using as he would claim " an assistant " for this one effect with placing a signed card on someones back using a paperclip and pin.

Anyways, his one friend, Joe Monti, I think his name was, is sitting their telling the camera how the trick is done and he says that Criss uses a stooge or an assisstant and you can tell once he says that, criss gets upset... very upset. Actually it seemed like to me.. so later on he ADMITS to using in his words "assistants".

Listening to him talk about the effect and other effects, is bottomline only thing that matters is if the ENDS JUSTIFY THE MEANS. By any means necessary he will do whatever it takes for the end result, and always do it the EASIEST way possible.

So if that means hiring stooges, which he admits he uses, then so be it.

It's funny lsitening to Criss talk later on in the mastermind episode because he says to be a great magician you have to be a great ACTOR and a REALLY GREAT LIAR.

In the talk he is referring to a trick where he miscalls #s off of a creditcard. He talks about believing what you're telling the audience and how you have to believe what you are saying is the truth. Which is all true, but he talks about being a REALLY good liar and actor.

Well I could not get this out of my head when he did the grand canyon jump and how he LIED and would say 1 continous shot, and no special effects. lol. You can clearly see it is special effects all the way.

But there are probably people out there, laymen, who think it is real.

So next time you watch Criss Angel, remember he uses STOOGES, HE THINKS HE IS A GOOD ACTOR, which means he thinks he is even a better liar, and they edit and use SPECIAL EFFECTS.

Obviously the method used for the coin trick is STOOGES. After watching that mastermind series and talking to him you know he uses stooges and will take the easiest route to accomplish the desired result.

But you have to still hand it to him, he is making millions of dollars doing what he loves. So more power to him.

I am into card magic mainly and don't really know illusions, but I do know that he uses special effects, and I wouldn't put it past him to hire an entire crowd of stooges.

The effect he did over the grand canyon called "smash", LOL, well let me put it this way; the most danger he was ever in was possibly falling off the zip line 10 feet in the air and maybe spraining his ankle. All this BS being 4000 ft in the air is just nonsense.

I am not an illusionist and do not know how any illusions are done to be honest, but I know special effects when I see them and that first grand canyon jump was so FAKE. The last 1 was a great illusion for the paid audience of stooges but certainly he was never in that box hanging 4000 ft over the grand canyon.

And for him to compare that effect to Harry Houdini's locking himself in a box and getting dumped in a lake. I believe Harry had real skill and actually used it where Criss is nowhere near as skilled.

With cards he uses double stick tape to get a card to disappear from a deck. That's all you need to know to see how skilled he is at cards..And he thinks that is an ADVANCED technique. lol

Again I can not hate though because he makes millions of dollars doing what he loves. So more power to him. As for a method to the effect that doesn't use any stooges, I would love to hear one. Even if you could reach into your pockets and pull the $$ out.
That would be a great effect. Click the coins in your pocket. Have a spectator say a #, and then pull the coins out of your pocket and it matches. But then show your pocket empty to the spectator.

Or if you have coins in your hand that you shake. If you have some system in place where whatever # was said you could quickly count out with your system and then palm off the remaining coins.

We all know how talented Criss is. Who's to say that it's not what he does. lol. Well we all know he uses stooges.

But I will put $$ on it if someone put time into it, I guarantee they can come up with a method to perform the effect, that does not use stooges.

Maybe not in the hands, but maybe like I said with having coins in your pocket and doing it that way.

I already have an idea on how to do it. You know the change system they have at sheetz or grocery stores that give out exact change.

If you could come up with some type of device that you input the amount via foot tap or whatever maybe voice activated. And some how shot the change into your pocket.
You could have the device attached to your leg. lol.
Sounds crazy but it's not impossible. Take time to do it but not impossible.

OR maybe just go and hire some stooges for your show!! A lot easier I guess.
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Yes it can be done -- no pockets, no stooges, no difficult palming -- ending clean. Strangely, when I offered this effect on the Café a year ago there was no interest. Maybe everyone just thought it was impossible and ignored it.

Available from eversway.com as "Sudden Change." I did offer this to several people free in return for feedback -- but none ever replied after getting the effect. (sigh!)
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I've been working on this effect and performing it for the past 4 months or so, and trying to get all the details of production to release it. I just made 10 prototypes over the weekend and will offer it up here in a few days or less.
Here's the EXACT effect called Pocket Change TM:
I mention that I have some change in my pocket, and shake the pocket so it can be heard. I state that there's between fifty cents and a dollar.
The spectator is asked to name any number in that range and I immediately reach into the pocket, pull out a handful of change, pennies, nickels dimes etc dump it all in their hand, pull the pocket inside out showing there's no more change and I even pat down the other pocket to show there's none there either. I state that it's in my left pocket, and I pull all the change from that pocket, (I don't use different pockets based on what they say etc)
THEY count it out and it matches to the penny.
This thing can be reset in a few seconds and repeated.
I have done this across the country over the summer, had people scream and I've been asked to repeat it. I just say "I can but you already know how much I have, so let me go put a different amount in my pocket" I leave and come back in a minute and repeat it.
I repeated it for he same small crowd in Pheonix three times and they were going nuts!
Pocket Change tm is a device you wear in your pocket that does the work, you have to do a little simple math.
Its super easy to do as well. The only video I have had online has been shared with a select few magi around the country but otherwise it's been kept pretty secret. The video is very crude and a direct, non entertaining demo that I really don't want to show the public, I will be shooting new live video very soon and posting it at wwww.cosmosolano.com
Pocket change was developed as an effect to go along with "Q: the Quantum Connection" where the spectator guesses the amount of change in my pocket, and to counter that, I predict the card they are thinking of.
Funsway's effect is quite brilliant, by the way (thanks for sharing it with me) and he has a great idea where they can name any number between 1 and 100, which can be used with Pocket Change tm. He has given me permission to add his idea to the routine.
In Funsway's routine the coins are "produced" and it's pretty cool! In mine, the change is pulled from the pocket and the pocket is turned inside out showing nothing more.
I hope to be showing and taking orders at Magic in the Rockies in a few days!
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