Hi all!
I heard from a good magician friend of mine about these two guys, the Buck twins who do incredible flourish-type card magic.
Does anyone have information on how to buy videos of these guys performing?
Please respond here or email me at: mikescanzello@aol.com

I would first do a check on this forum of all of the threads about them. Their material is not that good IMO. Their first video was appauling in quality and quantity. I wouldn't waste my money.

Check http://www.superhandz.com
or
http://www.handlordz.com

For the REAL stuff! These guys are the best in the business. Also check the handlordz forum on details of the Bucks and their videos. - Last time I checked, their website was down, I think they quit with Cap Casino because they couldn't compete.

Save your money and get the Encyclopedia of Playing Card flourishes for the best flourish material currently out there!

Cardjinx

mscanz,
Hey, personally, I am a big fan of the Buck Twins while some aren't. I look up to them when it comes to flourishes...they're my idols actually, in flourishes, but that's me. Anyways they have a video called Pasteboard Animations. This video is pretty cool for people who are beginning to people who are more familiar than others in flourishes. I have it and it's a great start up for me. There are also really cool ace productions and some really cool cuts that I enjoy doing. You can get it at http://www.misdirections.com They should have it. I think other dealers may hold it. They also have the Nursery Rhyme notes which is more recent and I plan on looking into those. Ha, some good "old school" material. Hope this helps.
CHristian

Everyone here keeps talking so highly about Superhandz and talks a lot of bad things about everyone else. Everyone keeps saying get the Superhandz material, it's the best... Well, it's actually useless if you can't buy it!! How are people supposed to learn from the best if the best doesn't have anything out on video??? If you want to learn something, I would suggest Show Off or Buck Twin or Cap Casino stuff.... Not because it's better, but because its actually available from your local magic dealer....

You have a point. But De'vo's material WILL be released in a month. If you can't wait for some GREAT material, and want to waste your money on old, poorly made material IMO, then go ahead and get them. You will be disappointed!

I really don't like those videos, poorly made in their living room, and the moves are all basically the same. De'vo's cradle to grave will be the BEST flourish DVD without a doubt! Superhandz RULES!

J

Superhandz material is actually out there for FREE on handlordz.com!

I don't talk bad about everyone else, I love McBride, TG Murphy, Jerry Cestkowski, Tudor and many others. Buck twins and Cap are just not that good IMO, and their material isn't either IMO. I'm happy you like them and that is your opinion. I'm just giving mine.

And De'vo's Cradle to Grave is going to be AWESOME! Cap and Bucks are all about the sybil. De'vo's sybil is supposed to stomp all others because of its unique concept. We'll soon see!

The Superhandz DVDs, the Cobra DVDs, Jerry's companion DVDs are all coming very soon! If the handlordz free vids don't suffice, and you can't find the Superhandz cds, I say get Tudor, Get McBride or just wait for the BEST - all of the upcoming Superhandz material! - but if you got tons of cash to throw away, heck, buy all of them! Then you can see exactly what I'm talking about when it comes to quality and material.

Cardjinx

AMEN brother!
Superhandz is the only way to go!

I've read SO much about the CTG it isn't even funny! I just can't wait! I heard it has a revolutionary teaching technique that will teach everything! De'vo is the BEST!

That's just it though! Cap and the Buck Twins are not old news. Those guys are like the same age as me. They work hard on all of their material. Whether it is as artistic or even as difficult as DE'Vos makes no difference.

Fact is, a lot of the guys you mentioned, all have a lot of years on Cap and the Bucks. With time, they will be able to create more stuff and get the things they already do more fluid. I think the main problem with them is that they may have tried to run before they can walk and released their material a bit too early.

I don't know about all the stuff where they were "claiming" to be flourish masters and what not. But don't forget, De'Vo and all those other guys were not born as amazing as they are now. They have worked hard for what they have accomplished and I'm sure that THEY all appreciate that.

Why not leave this to rest? I love the Superhandz site and Handlordz. De'Vo definitely is the best out there at the moment, but every single topic that comes up about someone else, they are always dragged into it. Superhandz was set up to find other flourish artists of the same caliber as the guys on there, not for a bunch of guys to become ultra loyal to them and defend them on all fronts.

They are big boys and their work speaks for itself. Quit going off topic all the time!

(PS: I know this is like my first post in here but I have been reading a lot)

And regarding the Buck material, have you seen those guys on Hit the Road? They have their material down as good as anyone.

T.G Murphys Deck Flip? How EGO-tistical does one have to be to name a way of flipping a deck of cards over? He credited him, didn't he? I think that's MORE than enough for flipping a packet over!

Shaun,

You do have some really great points and some people at Handlordz do take it too far. Personally, I didn't like Cap and I thought the Bucks were ok. I have said in other topics that De'vo creates flourishes that are for a flourish routine (more art). The Bucks are more in it for creating flourishes for magic acts. The problem with The Bucks is that their stuff isn't all that original and is sometimes a varation of theirs or someone elses work. This however does run in the magic world too: Take Darwin Ortiz for example: he never comes out with orignal card plots. As for the TG Deck Flip... they never asked TG if they could use it. I think you would be
'mad' if one of your cuts or magic effects appeared on someone else's videos.


Lee

If I had a dollar for every time Devo's name came up as being superior over the Buck's or Casino, I could afford to buy Devo’s new DVD!

I don’t ever remember hearing OR reading that the Buck Twins think they are better then anyone! Actually, if you have EVER spent more then 3 minutes with them you will realize both Dan and Dave are VERY quiet individuals that aren’t really interested in anything but the deck they are holding. Now if you think this comes across as cocky or anything other then silent, the problem lies in YOUR court.

They aren’t cocky, they aren’t thieves! As for the T.G. Murphy deck flip, it is published. It is also very well credited on both HIT THE ROAD and in their notes.

Let me explain a few things to some of you because you certainly don’t understand. (I haven’t read the claims by TG yet because I can't get on the Superhandz forum but maybe someone will forward it to me.)

If someone has published something and released it in the magic world (like Imagication), anything in the book is public domain (for lack of a better word). As long as one credits the original text (as Dan and Dave did) then they are ok.

The claim of the Molecule Cut being directly lifted is a joke. The production of the card in T.G. Murphy’s Mid Air Triple Cut has NO CONTROL. Read the text and it will say the card shoots out and lands on the table or something to that effect. The selection is never trapped in the packets like the Buck’s production. If T.G. is upset by this, it’s really too bad. He should have NEVER published his triple cut if he never wanted variations. There are more then enough variations to warrant a publishing. Another variant being the card comes from the top of the deck instead of the bottom.

As for the rumor about the Buck’s new DVD, it WILL BE AMAZING! I have seen some raw footage from it and I have no doubt it will revolutionize the flourish world. It is HOT. Slumpy 7 productions are filming and editing it. That alone is worth the price of admission.

Oh, let me kill another rumor while I am here. HIT THE ROAD was NOT a flourish video. It had over 20 some-odd magicians and a handful of guys doing some flourishes. So when this video gets lumped in with Cap Casino’s flourish video or Tudor’s Show off, it lets me know the reviewer has no concept of the project. The video wasn’t named FLOURISH THE ROAD….was it? So what’s up then? What’s with the heat over how it’s not a flourish video?

Look, I think it’s great all these people can discuss flourishes and what-not. I hope Devo sells a million DVDs and Jerry a trillion books. What I don’t hope for, is to have the flourish world full of a bunch of separatists. That doesn’t help the art at all, nor does it your ego. Good luck with all your future products and creations.
Asher

Thank you Lee. It could not have been better stated.

If my effects were published (which some are), then you have all the means to publish your variation with credit. This is what the Bucks have done.

Asher

Would you stand behind company's like Ellusionist publishing your stuff? The Bucks could have hunted him down and asked if it was ok... I think you know it would make you mad. It is just so wrong on so many levels. It wasn't TG's video, so why should all his work be on it? It just proves that The Bucks Twins don't have very many original things. What was the point of teaching it in the first place?

Lee

Bucks will NOT revolutionize the FLOURISH world. How could they? They are MAGICIANS (decent magicians) working with variants and other peoples material.

As far as conventions, the true flourish artists wouldn't be caught dead at a magic convention. They have their own conventions! Superhandz convention will be in June 04! Flourishers from around the world will unite, and I don't think Lee or the Bucks are even relevant to the flourish world let alone an influence.

Maybe, The Bucks should go to the SuperHandz convention and have a flourish off... You know free style flourishes.

Lee

Thanks for the input guys.
Looks like a lot of people know a lot more about this subject than me. Could I ask where you guys think the best four ace productions are where you cut to each one with no aces spinning out of the deck? I wanted to follow the ace production with any card named spinning out. Thanks again

Well put Asher...

I have spent several conventions in Vegas jamming with the Buck twins, and in speaking about their talent, they are AMONG the most technically brilliant that I have seen. They have MUCH to offer in the development of card flourishes as we move towards a refreshing new generation of opinions and attitudes towards this type of presentation. To recognize and literally argue, who is king flourish dude, in this day and age is ridiculously childish.

Often those that argue the most are those that know the least... To put off what the Buck Twins have to offer as a waste of time is absurd. However, an argument of this nature IS a waste of time.

It is of little investment to buy the Encyclopedia of Card Flourishes, as well as the tapes by Tudor, the Buck Twins, Cap Casino, and McBride - especailly when compared to the objectivity and wealth of information you gain by aquiring and understanding all... and only at this point does one have the authority to simply recommend what they liked the best, as all of the above have contributed as stepping stones for what lies ahead.

Note, these statements are not geared towards stolen material, but more, the future of flourishes.

John B. Born

The only way to find out who's better, is to ask the public. There should be a vote for who's better. A bunch of you superhandz followers keep claiming that superhandz is the best, but there's no proof. It's just the hot air coming out of your mouth. If you guys really think they are better, than have a vote or something. It wouldn't be fair for the Buck twins to go to a superhandz convention and expect to do well.

Obviously, if the Buck twins held a Buck twin convention and they invited De'vo and Jerry to compete, do you think those guys would win??? Probably not. So the best way is to somehow have a site where you can vote and see clips of their cuts..

Have to disagree! We all KNOW that Jerry and De'Vo are great flourishers, and this is without ever seeing them live. We know through their clips and their comments on the Handlordz forums.

But why do you think, De'Vo and Jerry never post on these forums defending their names and what not, but all their followers do? Because De'Vo and Jerry know that they are the best flourishers around. They do not need to argue with a keyboard. Like Lee said, they can do it with their skills.

So, here's the thing to do, quit it. We wanna talk about the Bucks, let us talk about the Bucks.

Can anyone provide a link to where the Bucks claimed to be the best? Or Cap Casino? It keeps getting mentioned and people have stated that comments about being masters were made by the twins on the Café, so can anyone back it up with a link?