Hi,
what are your favourite, most convincing `hands off´ card forces?
gimmicks are allowed, but no gimmicked deck!
kiki

A Br*****R.

Balducci "Cut Deeper"; Perfect Force using a DB.

Yes, both are good.
with the " cut deeper" and DB, I have the fear, when the spectator handles the cards, that the r......d card will flash. I find the original version, with the 2 cuts equal in effectiveness for laypeople.
kiki

Hello Kiki

I have several versions of handling the cut deeper force where the scritpting fully justifes the handling and from those who have used the "clairvoyant card" effect have not had any issues with layman based on feedback I received .

PM your email address and can send you a copy of the effect

Andy

The principle in the K Fulves "gemini trick" can be used to force a card rather than as a matchting effect . Card to force 6H - Top card of deck a 6 ,bottom card of deck any heart . Yuou riffle shuffle cards keeping top and bottom cards in place. Hand the deck to the spectator . He is asked to deal cards onto the table in a facedown pile and stop anytime he likes .

The last card dealt is turned face up to mark that point of the deal . Rest of deck dropped onto . He deals again , stopping any time he likes and marks the point turning the card face up . Balance of deck dropped on top .

Deck spread on table and spectator removes the face up card and the facedown one above it. The facedown card is used to create the value of an imaginary card .
The other face up card is removed and the facedown card above it. This faced down card is the suit .

An imaginary card has been created and has been forced without the performer touching the deck .

The breather crimp is the most direct but their is a risk of failure if using a normal deck.

A one way force deck is great if you can switch it in at the right time or a Svengali deck ..

THe nature of the effect, venue and audience determines more which approach is best suited.

Andy

This is a small point, but I think you guys are talking about two different things when you mention the Cut Deeper Force and the DB. The actions that the spectator carries out are similar, but for the DB force they only cut once, right? I think this goes back to Hofsinzer, but I could be wrong.

By the way, the DB card can be used as a killer key card concept using a similar action as well. Have the spectator cut the deck and turn the packet over. They look at the card on the face (free selection) and turn the face up cards face down.

Caleb
http://www.CalebWilesMagic.com

Caleb ,

Why use the DB as the key card ? Why not just have the top card of the deck.
Performer cuts small pile off, turns face up on deck to show spectator what to do.
They cut off a larger packet turn face up on deck , take off the face up packet, mix it and look at face card , then drop packet facedown on rest of deck . Chosen card next to orignal top card which is the key card. No need to remove the gaff card later .

Andy

You're right, Andy. That's another great approach. I guess the benefit of using the DB would be that the cards need only be cut once.

Caleb
http://www.CalebWilesMagic.com

Caleb, That is correct. I believe I learned "The Perfect Force" in the ENCYCLOPEDIA OF CARD TRICKS. John

I just read an effect (e-book) from Andy using the Cut Deeper Force. I have to say this is really amazing!!! Well thought out routine with a kicker ending!
Great thinking!!!
kiki

This takes a bit of guts, but I've done it a couple times and it's worked so far, but have the spectator do all the actions of the old cross cut force, then after a bit of time misdirection, instruct them to pick up the upper packet with one hand, and pointing to the packet still on the table tell them to take the card they cut to. Haven't tested it nearly enough to know how reliable it is on different audience types though...

Thanks for the feedback Kiki

I hope you enjoy using it

Andy

I will give it a try at a party tomorrow!!

Benjamin Earl has a couple of neat ideas tucked in his website somewhere.

If that's (Hugard) the H. I. Christ force, yes, The Perfect Force.

Andrew Normansell uses a brilliant hands-off force on one of his 100% Commercial Comedy Stand-Up DVDs. It allows him to force the highest value card from a few randomly cut packets

OK, for you guys scared of the DB force, try this:

Set-up is same as usual, BUT , place deck on table FACE-UP.

Have them cut off a portion and place it FACE-DOWN on the table.

Pick up the remainder of the deck, leaving it FACE-UP, and set it on the FACE-DOWN portion that was just cut off.

DONE! You are now in the same position as the original force. No chance of the spectator ever exposing your gimmick this way!

Have fun, and enjoy.

Cheers.

John Warrens

Thanks John for sharing

Merry Christmas

Andy

I particularly like the type of force used in Bill Goldman's 'One for the Money' effect. It effectively incorporates an impromptu force of a card that is a procedure certainly worth knowing.

All done in the spectator's hands and could be with a borrowed deck.

Plus with a minor additional sleight could be used to force any card of your choosing.

Murrari mentioned Andrew Normansell's force which is also very devious. I believe the effect is High Five.

Incidentally, if anyone knows of similar methods to these I'd like to hear them. I particularly like effects that involve a hands off approach.