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Steve Brooks Founder / Manager Northern California - United States 3780 Posts |
Here is an interesting topic starter; "What is your favorite stack to use? And, why do you favor that stack over another?".
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donaldlaporte New user new hampshire 46 Posts |
Well I’ll start it off. I like the standard 8 Kings or a Si Stebbins stack.
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Scott F. Guinn Inner circle "Great Scott!" aka "Palms of Putty" & "Poof Daddy G" 6586 Posts |
From a brand new deck I use Darwin Ortiz’s method for getting into Si Stebbins. I also sometimes use the Osterlind Stack, and when using my own deck, it is usually in Joyal’s Stack. Have also used the Aronson Stack, Rusduck Stay Stack and Tertredistic Stack, but primarily Stebbins or Joyal.
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Tom Cutts Staff Northern CA 5925 Posts |
I'm an Aronson Stack user. I like the chaos it appears to be.
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J R Thomas Regular user Champaign Illinois 138 Posts |
I'm with you Tom. Can't beat the Aronson Stack.
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Jim Morton Veteran user 361 Posts |
Coming to this topic a little late...
If someone hands me a new, unopened deck of cards, I love using Ortiz's method to get it into Si Stebbins. It confounds the heck out of people. If I'm setting the deck up myself ahead of time, I'll often use a modified Si Stebbins that does not put the cards into red-black order, allowing me to spread them. Jim |
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Chad Sanborn Inner circle my fingers hurt from typing, 2205 Posts |
I have an unusual stack that can be done with a borrowed deck in less than a minute. You just seperate the cards odd/even. Ace is counted as 1 (odd), jack is 11 (odd), queen is 12 (even), and king is 13 (odd). And ’oddly’ enough you get more odd cards than even. With the deck in this order, you can fan it and hand it out for inspection. No one will ever be able to ’see’ the stack. Throw in some false shuffles and your set for a miracle. It is less versatile than most stacks, but if you use it for a location, (find the odd in the even section or vise versa) it is hard to beat.
Chad PS... the odd/even cards are not arranged in any particular sequence. Ie... NOT 1,3,5,7 etc. just random... 3,7,1,11,9 etc. |
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Lonnie Dilan Special user Canyon Country, California 823 Posts |
Hey guys!!
I always hear about stacking and the 8 Kings and all that, but where can I read and learn these? like the Stebbins stack and all that? Sounds like fun. |
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Jeff Inner circle Orlando, FL 1238 Posts |
I use the Stebbins setup for a few effects, including one in the next issue of AM/PM published by our friend Tom Cutts.
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Jim Morton Veteran user 361 Posts |
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Lonnie, The best place to learn tricks with the Si Stebbins set up is Frank Garcia’s Miracle With Cards. It has a whole chapter on the subject. I don’t know if this is currently in print, but it’s fairly easy to find, It’s not too expensive either. I believe that both Si Stebbins and Eight Kings are also discussed in Hugard’s Encyclopedia of Card Tricks. Jim |
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DaveVegas New user Leicester,England 89 Posts |
Call me ignorant, but just how useful is a stacked deck? Can anyone get me out of my blissful ignorance and give me a few ideas about effects that a stacked deck can do that can't be achieved with some fairly basic card controls?
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Mystero Regular user 104 Posts |
Chad, what you have is not a stacked deck but a set up or separation, not the same and has limited use. I have a booklet called Stack Attack and it has quite a few very clever uses/presentations using a stacked deck. (Email if interested in specifics).
I recommend it highly. Also I’d like to add that a memorized deck is also a stacked deck in that the order of the cards cannot be changed and believe me when I tell you there are miracles being worked with memorized decks (i.e. Juan Tamirez and Mike Close) undefined. _________________ Keep America in your prayers and stay amazing, Mystero. |
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Paul Inner circle A good lecturer at your service! 4409 Posts |
I’ll second Mystero, the Stack Attack booklet is well worth a look.
I prefer the Stebbins deck myself as a cyclic stack. But there are some brilliant stacks in the James File to accomplish stuff you could not duplicate with a few sleights. When out working I generally use a straight deck though as I encourage the spectators to handle it. If I do use a stack in such a scenario I switch the deck in. |
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Michael Peterson Inner circle is where I'm trapped, because of my 4071 Posts |
I can’t remember where I learned it But, you can do a nice little poker deal with the Stebbins stack.
All you have to do is have the 2 of spades on the bottom & it is a self working 4 hand poker deal where you end up with 3 strong hands, but you get a royal flush. A nice quicky |
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Reian Regular user Hawaii 117 Posts |
I thought about shuffling the deck until it's really mixed. Well one shuffle is good, but I want to really randomize everything, then place the deck face down and number every card one to fifty two. Then use them as flash cards, and memorize sets by five cards. When you do it this way, by 5, you learn it in sets and you remember the first card of the set so it just seems easier.
I also have a flash cards type deck using Aronson Stack. You could memorize the order and number position in like 4-6 hours. But I haven't done it so it's automatic. That might take months, doubt a year. I tried to use John Lovick's, "attack on the stack", but it's all, have this special meaning or have a kind of relationship with the card and the position number. I think that's just going overboard but whatever rocks your boat. |
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Dynamike Eternal Order FullTimer 24148 Posts |
Richard Osterlind's BCS.
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
Aronson. My first exposure to memorized deck work came from Simply Simon, so I bought Bound to Please.
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Billgussen Elite user Central Japan 497 Posts |
Another vote for Osterlind's BCS. It contains no clue that the deck is stacked (such as alternating reds and blacks) -- it just looks like a shuffled deck. But you can figure out the next card using the math, and after it's memorized, one can use a good portion of the mem-deck tricks with it as well.
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Steve Haynes Inner circle Southeastern United States 1119 Posts |
Stebbins using The Si Stebbins Secret from At The Card Table (Darwin Ortiz).
Because I'm constantly opening new decks and since I can get into the stack in real time, and there are so many effects that I can do, from mentalism, to gambling effects. Last but not least, is the Joyal Stack. Simply because it's a memorized deck and makes certain effects as strong as possible. Steve |
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Vlad_77 Inner circle The Netherlands 5829 Posts |
Great topic!! Aronson is my preferred stack although I am studying Mnemonica as well. These of course are mem decks so I will mention a few of my favourite stacks:
Si Stebbins, Eight Kings, and John Cornelius's system in his "Award Winning Magic of John Cornelius". As mentioned by Paul H, Stewart James has some truly interesting stacks that create some hard hitting effects. Best to all in the Café, Vlad |
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