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I have a question I'm hoping someone knowledgeable in the rising card arena can help me with. I'm putting together a piece to music and I'm incorporating the Devano Rising card effect, which has the advantage of being able to be performed hands free in a wine goblet, as I plan to use it. BUT, the Devano deck I have is of very poor quality and does not rise without some fidgeting.

Are there more reliable brands? Does someone make a version that is smooth and automatic? Or are all Devanos created equal?

In this particular case, I am more or less locked in on the Devano deck, as other methods I have explored have drawbacks that throw a wrench into the routine I have sequenced before and after.

Any help greatly appreciated.

Thanks everyone!

Josh
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Josh,

all Devanos are a little different, even when made by the same person. I would give George Richbark a call and see what he can do for you. Here's his website: http://www.richbark.com/m_closeup.html

I personally like his they use a pin style device and I use this deck exclusively. Some are tighter than others and some have a better rise. I think if you speak to him directly you can tell him what you need.

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I second George Richbarks.

He also makes a fantastic Head Chopper.

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On 2010-12-07 07:26, MagicbyCarlo wrote:
all Devanos are a little different, even when made by the same person.


Carlo,

I would agree with your statement because the two Richbark decks I had were probably the worst Devano decks I ever owned. They didn't rise smoothly and I found the pin method to be unreliable as it didn't always stick into the card. I know that Don Alan recommended the pin method, but if you watch him on the Stevens' video, he had problems with his deck and had to go back and try it again. I never had that problem with the sticky tape, even with the cheap versions of the deck.

Maybe George was having an off day when my decks were made, but I've heard from a couple of other people who weren't satisfied with their decks either.

Josh,

Two recommendations that you may want to try - I've heard that the decks Loftus sells are good and high recommendations from the ones that Martini makes: http://www.martinismagic.com/Products.html
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Martini's are excellent. I have two and the first one I have had for three years.
They are guaranteed for life.
And what a super nice guy Marty is too.Such a pleasure to deal with.
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On 2010-12-07 07:26, MagicbyCarlo wrote:
all Devanos are a little different, even when made by the same person.


Carlo,

I would agree with your statement because the two Richbark decks I had were probably the worst Devano decks I ever owned. They didn't rise smoothly and I found the pin method to be unreliable as it didn't always stick into the card. I know that Don Alan recommended the pin method, but if you watch him on the Stevens' video, he had problems with his deck and had to go back and try it again. I never had that problem with the sticky tape, even with the cheap versions of the deck.

Maybe George was having an off day when my decks were made, but I've heard from a couple of other people who weren't satisfied with their decks either.

Josh,

Two recommendations that you may want to try - I've heard that the decks Loftus sells are good and high recommendations from the ones that Martini makes: http://www.martinismagic.com/Products.html

Did you contact George about your issue?

I have had a problem with one of his decks but he fixed the issue. It's a "mechanical" item that relies on gravity built into a deck of cards. Cards themselves are sensitive to environmental effects. Other issues can arise with mechanical decks as well, clearances ect. I have found some that work perfectly when oriented one way but not another, etc. It stands to reason that with any Devano Deck occasionally an issue will arise. My experience with adhesives have been equally temperamental. The way I use the deck is perfect for the pin gimmick, it also allows for a more natural handling, shuffling and fanning of the deck; if adhesive style works best for you then so be it.
Martini offers a lifetime warranty on his gimmick, but since I have not tried his deck, I cannot comment on the quality or reliability but I have noticed other people write nice things as well.
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I just ordered a Martini deck yesterday and I am looking forward to trying it based on the raves here.

I have only had the Arne decks from many years ago and thought they worked quite well and reliably.

A few months ago I bought a few of the Ellusionist Black Tiger Rising card decks and they really sucked - Poorly made, the line was very loose with no tension, and the adhesive was placed too far UP on the line so that the cards never rise more than halfway out. I complained and got a replacement - same garbage. I usually like Ellusionist, but these are not quality.
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On 2010-12-07 10:17, MagicbyCarlo wrote:

Did you contact George about your issue?



Interesting question. When I ordered the decks I heard nothing back from him for a couple of weeks. I had to send him a couple of emails to find out if he even received my order and found him to be not very helpful in helping me with the order. That would have been fine if the decks worked as they should have, but they didn't and based on my previous interactions I wasn't going to contact him again for something that should have worked the first time. His decks are almost twice the price as the Martini Decks and should work right out of the box.

Like I said, maybe I just got a bad couple of decks. Maybe I caught him at a bad time. Who knows, but I wouldn't try them again.

My experience with the early Arne decks was the same as Saysold. They worked great and were less than $10 if I remember correctly. I never had an "environmental" issue with those decks. They always worked and I never had a problem with the adhesive. For me it was hit & miss with the pins.
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I must admit, my experience with Mr. Richbark was the same as Dominos'. And I bought a dozen decks... All bad and no email response... Sooooo...
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I owned an old J&J Rising Cards which was Devano like and used a sticky pad and worked well for years though the mechanism needed to be powdered and stretched every so often to facilitate rise. I also spent a fortune on a pin method rising deck created by a doctor whose name escapes me. It used two little prongs and frankly was slow and unreliable regardless of how great a reputation he had. Eventually the little disk popped off completely but I was able to repair it with a little Elmer's glue. As the gang says, these are temperamental as they age. When using the cards, I placed them in a glass and cover them with a bell jar for the final rise. Very strong.
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The happy ending to this story is that I ordered one from Martini's, at your suggestions on this forum. It arrived two days later and works PERFECTLY. Lifetime guarantee and Marty emailed me individually to confirm. Top notch product and service. Very happy with the deck.

J
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I just got my new rising deck from Martini's today - NICE!!! Really Nice.

The looks to be the best one I have bought ever - the little details make it great as others have already said:

1) The gimmick line is tight and firm
2) The adhesive uses a small portion of a cut matching card to mask it's presence - very cool touch
3) The unit operates very smoothly
4) Lifetime warranty - Can't beat that!
5) Great Instructions
6) Extra adhesive included
7) Gimmick is placed high up so that you get a full ride (unlike the half-baked Ellusionist rising decks I tried recently)

The deck utilized the new Bicycle "Standard" box which I hate with a passion - but no biggee as I just put it in a blue bike box. This is a keeper! Thanks and Josh I hope you enjoy your new unit too... Have fun in Europe and all the best to you in the new year. I think you will be a very happy camper with this deck.

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So, how do you put a Devano deck in a wine glass and have the card rise "hands free"?

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I ordered a couple of decks recently as well. I'll comment and see if my adher-a-phobia is cured by these. The "full ride" of the card is another feature I found lacking in some of the decks I've purchased over the years as well.
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Carlo,

Please post your opinion of the Martini decks when you get them. I'm curious to know what you think about them compared to the Richbark decks.
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On 2010-12-13 20:31, Robert M wrote:
So, how do you put a Devano deck in a wine glass and have the card rise "hands free"?

Robert


Robert-

I'm assuming that the cards in box are placed at a slight angle in the glass or goblet to control the speed of the rise.

Maybe Mr Jay or other expert cardician will enlighten us Smile
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On 2010-12-13 20:31, Robert M wrote:
So, how do you put a Devano deck in a wine glass and have the card rise "hands free"?

Robert


Robert-



I'm assuming that the cards in box are placed at a slight angle in the glass or goblet to control the speed of the rise.

Maybe Mr Jay or other expert cardician will enlighten us Smile


That is it exactly! As per tyhe classic Goshman routine.
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Just for info, the original Devano Rising Deck had an adjustment feature and also had the two pin (or needle)heads.
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Just a bit more info!! I have the original deck used for demonstration in Harry Stanley's Unique Magic Studio in the 1950's. This was manufactured by Harry Devano himself and is still in working order!!

Not very helpful to you Joshua but I thought you may be interested!!

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So, 8 years later Smile (the posts are from 2010) I'm also looking for a good Devano Deck. So yesterday I ordered one from Martini. Very nice person! Helpful and competent. Now, I have to waite a cuple of days (Shiping from USA to Germany) It's always so, like Smile Smile
see u
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