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CardHacker New user 1 Post |
I have been interested in equivoque for a long time, but have never been able to learn it. I was referred to this book by Brandon Cross, and was wondering if anyone has heard of it. Does anyone here also know where I can buy it? Thanks.
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dAvId tOnG Regular user sInGaPoRe 103 Posts |
A couple of good sources/books for Equivoque:
1) Mind Control 2) A Section in The Mind and Magic of David Berglas (his method allows you to force an object out of 20!!! 3) Verbal Control by Phil Goldstein 4) Some interesting ideas by Lee Earle in his new book M.I.N.D. |
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CardFan Elite user Found the Socks ! 430 Posts |
Where did you found that equivoque was a lost art?
I use it all the time and I guess many of the readers of this thread do too...
Aiming to become the only magician in the world that has ever produced the lost socks back from the dryer...
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StrangeMagick Special user 635 Posts |
CardHacker:
I agree with CardFan that equivoque is not dead ... but it is only done well by a few. Please practice this one as much as you would any complicated slight. If not presented properly, the method is extremely see-through. I would 2nd David Tong's list, although I haven't read David Berglas' book, or Mind Control. Lee Earle's excellent article on equivoque was first published in M.U.M. magazine, although I don't know which issue off the top of me head. I am also very fond of Max's "Verbal Control". Magickally, Dave Birtwell |
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leondo Special user Las Vegas 759 Posts |
Here's big kudo's for the skill as presented in the Berglas book. It's well
thought out and explained nicely. It does take much practice to make it appear "seamless". Ted (Leondo) |
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noumena Regular user Orange County, CA 136 Posts |
CardFan:
I believe the reason cardhacker named his post "The Lost Art of Equivoque" is because that is the original title of a booklet by Phil Goldstien, which is now called Verbal Control. Having said that, I would still contend that equivoque is still in a very real sense a lost art. Consider David Berglas's handling of it compared to how the vast majority of others use it. I think it is unfortunate there is not more care, study and creativity devoted to this principle before every so called mentalist or magician performs it in a devastatingly transparent manner that is so fashionable. I have seen this at the Magic Castle several times. Warmly, Brandon Cross |
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dpe666 Inner circle 2895 Posts |
I have always hated the fact that many magicians and mentalists give very little thought to the presentation of the Equivoque Sequence. It usually sounds something like: "Ok, ummm, pick 3. OK we will keep these three and get rid of those two. Ok, pick ummmmm 2 more. Ok we will get rid of those two and keep this one." I was told by one performer that the execution and patter used during the sequence made no difference. He said that lay people do not care about the selection process. What bunk. That is where you must take the most care. That said, you should make it seem as if their choice does not matter to YOU. At the end of the sequence remind them of each and every decision they made starting with the choice you gave them and ending with the choice they made. Lead them down the road they followed to arrive at the final outcome. It convinces them further that they controlled the entire outcome.
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dAvId tOnG Regular user sInGaPoRe 103 Posts |
In my opinion, Lee Earle's article on Equivoque is one of the most excellent article on this subject. Simple and effective, esp for 3 or 4 objects. He has a very subtle and slight difference in handling that I favour a lot. This handling, combined with Max's Positive/Negative in his VideoMind series and Kenton's handling of Positive/Negative in his WW3, result in an ultimate presentation and handling for this pocket miracle.
David Berglas's section on Equivoque is extremely inspirational! I believe anyone who hates Equivoque will fall in love with it after reading his method and treatise on this fine art and would want to add it immediately to his list of impromptu miracles. |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
What is the difference between
eqivocation and equivoke ? how does this compare with 'embedded commands' and other stuff that might come under the heading of 'rapport skills' ?
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Thoughtreader Inner circle Calgary, Alberta, Canada 1565 Posts |
One of the best treatise on "Equivoque" (pronounced Ee kw iv okay) is Jack Dean's"The Equivoque Choice" sold by AB Stagecraft.
PSIncerely Yours, Paul Alberstat |
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jerdunn Inner circle 1734 Posts |
Another great insight into the technique can be found in Christian Chelman's book, Capricornian Tales. It's called Equivox and involves various exotic coins.
Also, David Eldridge's booklet and videotape devoted to Equivoque explain his excellent ideas. Last I heard, he was preparing a sequel to the book. Cheers, Jerry |
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Nir Dahan Inner circle Munich, Germany 1390 Posts |
Paul...
I am not a native English speaker, but I saw Lee Earle's lecture and he said he won a lot of bets with fellow magicians saying the word is pronounced ek-wi-vok (not kay) also the Merriam Webster dictionary online says the same - just a small unrelated point... Nir |
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Jim Reynolds Elite user Special Guest 431 Posts |
Nir,
Technically, you're right. But as Max Maven pointed out, the mispronunciation helps us magi know if you are talking about magician's choice (kay) or the 'muggle' definition (French pronunciation -vok) Like Max, I rather like the differences. JR |
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kuffs Special user 791 Posts |
I am French, so I can confirm that the correct way to pronounce it is " EK-WI-VOK " not " KAY "...
But, the real word is " Equivoque ", so in reality it will be sound more like " EK-I-VOK ", without the " W "... Humbly from the French mentalist... P.S. My top 5 to read for this subjects are: - David Berglas - Eugene Burger - Phil Goldstein - Al Mann - Jack Dean None of them has the perfect solution, but all's of those great thinkers have part of it, when all this knowledge is combine, you got a very unique and powerful tools with you all your life!!! Kuffs I forgot to say that, I also love the difference in the " word " when talking about the force system created by magician and the correct way of pronounce it the French word... It's sound more mystic... Kuffs |
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dpe666 Inner circle 2895 Posts |
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On 2003-07-25 15:44, jerdunn wrote: Thanx for the kind words, Jerry. And you are right, but it is NOT a sequel. It is a re-working of the original booklet. As of right now it is over 100 pages long instead of the original 44. There are MANY more effects. |
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rgranville Elite user Boston area 463 Posts |
Any idea when this will be released?
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restlessplots Regular user 124 Posts |
I was having problems performing this well, so I asked S.T. for a bit of help, a few beers later, he commented on the following people:
David Berglas, Eugene Burger Phil Goldstein Al Mann Jack Dean David Eldridge In a nutshell, I was given material and examples of all of them, when I asked who he styled himself after he said, "Each must decide which method they like, me I can never pull off Phil, but *** he is good! Each has something to offer you, but myself, I am a David Eldridge man, he is not perfect, but he is close!" I am working my way through all of the above people, but from what I read, so far, David Eldridge and Max are my favorites! Rest |
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David43 Regular user 133 Posts |
On his IMS Convention lecture video Harry Lorayne gives a very good and detailed discussion about forcing one book from five and why he prefers five to four or three.
David
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Sean Macfarlane Special user 880 Posts |
So it's really your attitude, isn't it. I don't have a lot of experience with it myself, but just last night I was working a party and I was using the company's playing cards throughout the evening. I had access to a lot of decks so I took advantage of using duplicates all night long, I loaded them everywhere before hand and if the opportunity presented itself I would force the card needed and reveal it magically in a impossible location.
Now this isn't equivoque, but I'm getting to it. I loaded this guys breast pocket during an effect with a duplicate 5 of clubs, I then went into trying to force the other 5 on him from my deck but soon found out that I didn't have one, I used the wrong deck!, my mind started racing and I'm wondering what can I do with this guy who has a 5 of clubs loaded on him. I'm just winging it so I ask him to choose a color, he say "black" I say fine, then I ask him Odd or Even, he says Odd, cool, so that's 1,3,5,7,9 Choose three I said he chose 9,5,3 ok choose two, he says 5,3 , now choose one, he say 5, At this poing I'm thinking great were almost there, I finally ask him to either club or spade. He looked at me and said club. What an awesome feeling that I had, knowing that I have got him right where I want him. I then looked at him and asked him if he would be impressed if that card was in his breast pocket, he looked at me as if to say, "yeah sure, whatever" have a look I said. The look on his face was priceless when he found the 5 of clubs in his pocket, he was absolutely floored. I was pretty *** happy too. My question is how can you ensure that this can happen all the time. This whole thing took less than a minute to go through, I was lucky because he just kept making the correct choices. If he made some other choices that would have made it awkward for me to lead him to the Five of clubs then I probably would have used my invisible deck that I had ready and waiting to produce a clean effect. Cheers guys |
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DaveS Veteran user New York 329 Posts |
Sean,
Kenton Knepper's "Killer Konceptions" and "Kolossal Killer" manuscripts include some interesting ideas on forcing a card and some "outs" that might be worth exploring. Derren Brown has written on this as well in "Pure Effect." Good luck, DaveS
We shall not cease from exploration/And the end of all our exploring/Will be to arrive where we started/And know the place for the first time. (TS Elliot)
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