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Anthony Jacquin Inner circle UK 2220 Posts |
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On 2009-08-10 01:58, nboisen wrote: I second that. I found Joshua Quinns thoughts on this the most insightful I have come across. I thoroughly recommend you get his book Paralies.
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phillsmiff Inner circle UK 1794 Posts |
Anthony, I second your recommendation of Paralies, there are some brilliant ideas in there, especially regarding Equivoque.
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Samuel Catoe Inner circle South Carolina 1268 Posts |
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On 2009-09-25 10:41, Dompa wrote: Dominik, I haven't read the Eldridge book so can't compare it, but here's what my book offers. It is a primer. I take the technique and break it apart and look at each step of using a routine that I have been performing for quite a few years. I also offer my advice regarding the scripting and performance of equivoque routines as well as some other ideas. There are about seven different routines/ideas in the book, two from Greg Arce, one from Paolo Cavalli, one from Nicolas Belleas, and three from myself. If you have read extensively about equivoque, I doubt that you will read anything new in either my book or David's (thought I haven't read it and don't know for certain) and would recommend you begin searching for the Berglas book. Sam Catoe
Author of Illusions of Influence, a treatise on Equivoque.
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David Alexander Special user 623 Posts |
I will toss in my two cents here and give a vote for Docc's "E'Voque." Docc had me "beta testing" it a year before we recorded it at the L&L studio which was well before he released it as a printed booklet.
It is massively inexpensive for what the working performer gets... a great bargain. Early on (before L&L) I did it for a well-informed young mentalist. I did it for him three times in a row, using the same verbiage each time. Each time the "prediction" was corect. He had to admit that he had no clue what I was doing and I didn't tell him. It works and it works consistently. It is one of the very best bits of impromptu mentalism. Candidly, I'm sorry Docc published it as I would have rather it been kept private. |
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Dompa Loyal user Germany 249 Posts |
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Dominik, Since my last post I had the chance to read David Eldridge's book 'Mind Control' which I really enjoyed. As you said, there is no new revolutionary technique or enhancement of equivoque. Once you understood the basic concept and the necessary routes to go you are ready to perform equivoque to great entertainment succes. BUT and therefore I must disagree on your statement in some way, I found in each and every book on equivouqe something usefull for me! There are little nuances, new ideas to camouflage the process or at least new words with an ambiguous direction that can make the little but fine difference. So there were indeed some good thoughts in 'Mind Control'. For anyone interested: Mind Control is available directly through David Eldrige as an ebook. My concluding recommendation about equivoque is: Read as much as possible and don't forget to practice it as ofthen as possible to get the needed coolness for it! Best, Dominik PS: By the way Sam, is your book also available as an ebook? |
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
I'm a coin guy but like the mentalism stuff some. I actually learned Docc's "Equivoque" (the great mentalism effect) quite a while back now but never performed it (Also learned his "Nightmare Coins" - nice effect). Equivoque is very slick and quite affordable, an absolutely masterful effect and not hard at all to do. You just have to remember the steps (and they are easy enough) to reveal some astounding mental magic.
Think I have read the Maven booklet and Eldridge's Mind Control book as well to some degree and eventually remembered that I was a coin guy. I didn't need any ever-deepening, in-depth explanations of the use of equivoque, I just wanted to know better why it worked as it did. I typically use the basic method of Magician's Choice as I first learned it in Maven's brilliant "B'wave," and I enjoy using it in a more recent trick I do now "Ultimate Positive Negative," which basically is another effect that emanates from Maven's more basic uses in his "Positive Negative" effect with invisible coins as to the use of Magician's Choice aka "Equivoque." It's a nice thing to know and use once you get comfortable with it, and its uncanny workings on people still amaze me.
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Dovewars New user 34 Posts |
I'm getting frustrated at not being able to get hold of any of these books and my technique surely needs help. Anyone recommend a good ebook?
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cryder New user 75 Posts |
The first I've read was from max maven, then I found Docc Hillford E'voque that was really nice. Also there is a four pages routine based on equivoque in "Chestosterone" from Chester Sass. Well written and quite effective.
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Lord Of The Horses Inner circle 5406 Posts |
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On 2010-08-20 17:16, Dovewars wrote: Peter, what's stopping you from getting ANY of the sources given here? All / Most of them are still sold. And, please, let's include to the list the compilation made by the late Jack Dean in "The Equivoque Choice".
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Dovewars New user 34 Posts |
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On 2010-08-21 09:03, Lord Of The Horses wrote: Nothings stopping me I just wanted something NOW I was going to use an item which used Equivoke today and hoped to get hold of something fast. Now I will just wait and buy the books. I hate the idea of using the technique badly.. Peter |
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Lord Of The Horses Inner circle 5406 Posts |
Peter,
Anything worth of learning, it takes some time. I know the "want it and want it now" mentality is a curse for the modern magician and Mentalist, so it seems you made the right choice in waiting rather than butchering a powerful set of tools.
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Dompa Loyal user Germany 249 Posts |
I recommend you buying all of the mentioned sources, read them once, read them twice and re-read them again. Then start putting together all the subtleties that you found to be useful to create your very own effect.
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There are little nuances, new ideas to camouflage the process or at least new words with an ambiguous direction that can make the little but fine difference. Try it once, try it twice and try it a third time. You will realise that some things doesn't fit you and some other will work perfectly for you! As more ofthen you present equivoque the more natural your actions and thinking will be. Good luck on your journey in mastering this great technique! |
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Samuel Catoe Inner circle South Carolina 1268 Posts |
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On 2010-08-21 09:13, Dovewars wrote: Ebooks. Everyone wants ebooks. Peter, the best sources for equivoque are not in ebook form, and if you find them in an ebook it's because someone stole it from the author and put it into ebook form. I first read how to perform equivoque many years ago in a magic book that is lost to my memory. I re-read it in a Mark Wilson book some years back, and I have been learning how to perform it since. I am still learning how to perform it. That doesn't mean I don't know how to do it; it means that equivoque is a much bigger tool than people think and it can be used many ways other than the typical manner (as the sole or main method in a routine). Take some time with this tool. Learn how to utilize it, learn how to love it, and be wise about it's use. Most of all, enjoy the using... and the learning.
Author of Illusions of Influence, a treatise on Equivoque.
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cryder New user 75 Posts |
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Ebooks. Everyone wants ebooks. Peter, the best sources for equivoque are not in ebook form ...Learn how to utilize it, learn how to love it, and be wise about it's use. Sam, if Dove tried to improve his knowledge in books and while not finding what he wants, start asking about ebooks, this seem quite natural. For sure practicing is the best way to improve, but we all know that sometimes, reading a piece of art open new opportunities to experiment a technic. Practicing days and night doesn't always give you the solutions you are missing. |
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Stefmagic Special user 529 Posts |
For me, the most inspirational sources for equivoque are :
David Berglas - The Mind and Magic of David Berglas Hector Chadwick - The Mental Mysteries of Hector Chadwick Phil Goldstein - Verbal Control Docc Hilford - E'voque Jack Dean - The Equivoque Choice Joshua Quinn - ParaLies Once you read all of them, you mastered the art of Equivoque for sure! |
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Richard Kaufman Inner circle 2532 Posts |
If you want to do Equivoque with playing cards, you'll find an enormous chapter in my new book "The Berglas Effects," along with multiple performance/demonstrations on the DVDs which will accompany the book.
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Joshua Quinn Inner circle with an outer triangle 2054 Posts |
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On 2010-08-28 22:11, Richard Kaufman wrote: Whoa. Thank you for that info, Richard. Had there been any doubt in my mind about ordering the book (which there wasn't), this would have vanquished it in a heartbeat. This has officially moved the book to the top of my list of things to look forward to.
Every problem contains the seeds of its own solution. Unfortunately every problem also contains the seeds of an infinite number of non-solutions, so that first part really isn't super helpful.
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Dompa Loyal user Germany 249 Posts |
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If you want to do Equivoque with playing cards, you'll find an enormous chapter in my new book "The Berglas Effects," along with multiple performance/demonstrations on the DVDs which will accompany the book. Good news. Looking forward to this as well. |
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Michael Daniels Inner circle Isle of Man 1609 Posts |
I haven't read everything there is on Equivoque, but I have been playing around with what may be a new idea for a one from three force (well, I haven't come across it before). I call it "Equirock".
I'd appreciate some feedback on this, so I will send a link to download a PDF of the method (2 pages) to the first TEN people who PM me to request it and who are willing to PM me back with some views (however brief) on originality, effectiveness and transparency. I'd like the views of experienced Café members so, please, only those who have at least 100 posts. To save members cluttering up this forum to say they have sent a PM request, I will post an update as soon as I have filled the quota. I will also take the PDF down 30 minutes after replying to the last person, so please make sure you download it promptly and, if you are interested in the method, save the file to your hard drive. Mike |
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Michael Daniels Inner circle Isle of Man 1609 Posts |
I still have a few copies of Equirock to send out to those willing to provide some feedback. Opinion so far has been very positive.
PM me if you are interested. Mike |
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