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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On 2011-01-04 02:35, Nom de Guerre wrote: Our language is diminished when a word that has a specific meaning is allowed to encompass more general meanings; we should fight against that. The decay of the meaning of "acronym" is but a single example. Consider "decimate", which means to reduce by 1/10. People use it to mean to destroy completely (probably because they're confusing it with "devastate"). How can it be an improvement when the same word might mean to destroy a little, or to destroy a lot? Similarly with "compose" and "comprise"; they're practically opposites of each other, yet many people will say "is comprised of" when they mean "is composed of" (most recently, Jack, in a stupid Jack-in-the-Box commercial). I'm all for the evolution of language, but not when it involves replacing clarity with ambiguity. Quote:
On 2011-01-04 02:35, Nom de Guerre wrote: That's funny: I thought that a dictionary's job was to enforce (or, at least, to establish) strictly speaking. ;) |
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Nom de Guerre New user 82 Posts |
I'm with you in spirit, I really am. For better or worse, however, languages do change. The change isn't always an evolution or improvement, however, and one will never find consensus about whether it is or isn't. Regardless, dictionaries track these changes, and ones like the OED give copious references to first appearances in print, etc. Once a word becomes sufficiently used in common parlance, or it's meaning in common usage shifts, the new word or shift in definition tends to get added to dictionaries.
Apparently, acronyms in English are largely a 20th century (and now 21st century) phenomenon anyway: "In English, acronyms pronounced as words may be a 20th-century phenomenon. Linguist David Wilton in Word Myths: Debunking Linguistic Urban Legends claims that "forming words from acronyms is a distinctly twentieth- (and now twenty-first-) century phenomenon. There is only one known pre-twentieth-century [English] word with an acronymic origin and it was in vogue for only a short time in 1886. The word is colinderies or colinda, an acronym for the Colonial and Indian Exposition held in London in that year." In any case, we're getting way off topic, and this discussion is literally "academic," since I couldn't change the title of this thread even if I wanted to. I wouldn't want to, if I could, since it would be far clunkier IMO. I leave you to debate with yourself whether IMO is an acronym or an initialism. ACAAN - "Any Card At Any Number." A group of card tricks or effects that generally have the performer producing a card that is thought of or named by a spectator at any number or position within the deck... also determined by the spectator. ACR - "Ambitious card routine." CAAN - "Card At Any Number." Please refer to ACAAN. EATCT - "Expert At The Card Table." S.W. Erdnase's famous book published in 1902. ECT - "Expert Card Technique." A famous book by Hugard and Braue FASDIU - "From A Shuffled Deck In Use." An acronym invented by Paul Cummins. His definition: ""The concept behind the title of the manuscript is that all of the card effects may be performed without any prior preparation or pack prearrangement - from a shuffled deck in use. Frequently it is necessary to make a quick run through the deck and cull a couple of cards, but I have always been able to cover those times with a bit of patter." FISM - The Fédération Internationale des Sociétés Magiques From the Wikipedia entry: "(International Federation of Magic Societies) was founded in 1948, and is one of the most respected organizations in the magician community. It is an international body coordinating dozens of national and international clubs and federations around the world, representing approximately 50,000 Magicians from 32 countries. The organization hosts a self-named "FISM" conference every three years, where magicians compete for "Best of" categories." RRCM - ""Royal Road To Card Magic," by Hugard and Braue. SWE - S.W. Erdnase OOSOOM - Dai Vernon's "Out of Sight, Out of Mind." OOTW - "Out of This World." Arguably the most famous card trick of the 20th century created by Paul Curry in 1942. OOTU - "Out of This Universe." Harry Lorrayne's reworking of OOTW |
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bobon Regular user Hyderabad .India 166 Posts |
Several books on card magic written in this manner for advantage of describing the effect or the work.LH for lefthand or 'x' card for just any other card or may be FU/FD for face-up or face-down.
@Nom de Guerre-Do want to include all of them like this below? BDE-Bottom Deal Excahnge IBP-Immidiate Bottom Placement Prabir |
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samuwel New user 60 Posts |
I'm pretty sure that a huge thread along these lines was created which had a pretty comprehensive list, however it was closed for a fairly good reason - Having a thread exposing these acronyms/initialisms/abbreviations/(whatever you want to call them) defies the entire purpose of using them! Admittedly it might be useful to a beginner magician who can't work out the acronyms, but if a layman were to stumble upon this thread, they can easily google the title of one of these sleights or effects...... Boom, exposure.
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Nom de Guerre New user 82 Posts |
Samuwel, I agree that the inclusion of the terms for sleights should not be included in a list that is easily accessible to non magicians. However, I don't know if I agree about the purpose of acronyms (and initialisms ) with regard to their use for non sleight related abbreviations. In these cases, I don't think their purpose is to obscure the name of the trick, or the organization (i.e. FISM), but rather for brevity in writing and or saying the name.
Perhaps I am wrong about the application of acronyms for the names of tricks/effects? What do people think about that question? It seems to me that the names of specific tricks/effects are posted all over the easily accessible sections of this forum, often in conjunction with a description of the effect. I have never seen any of these types of references discouraged. The main thing I now of that is obviously discouraged are disclosures or references to the methodologies of a given trick/effect. Thoughts? bobon, I guess we'll incorporate (or not) your suggestions once we've got a general consensus about the issue. |
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Justin W Special user Lawrence, KS 929 Posts |
Yeah, I've never used these acronyms as a means of preventing exposure. For whatever the reason, some people are not familiar with these books or items in acronym form, so I think it's fair game to make a list like this. By your logic, should we shut down a thread about Out of Sight, Out of Mind because a layman may Google the trick and find out more than we want him to? Uh, no. What about that thread about the tricks of the decade. 99% of the tricks discussed on that thread are not abbreviated in any way. So should we delete the thread?
Also, DPS. Diagonal Palm Shift. |
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KyleMacNeill Inner circle 2757 Posts |
DL - Double Lift
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maxamillian1 New user 59 Posts |
I agree that any list of acronyms published on this site would be viewable by all, but if sleights are described by acronyms in a post that helps to disguise the meaning of what is being said e.g. "Bring card to top and then do a DL followed by a OHTCP"
Max |
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apple123 Regular user 107 Posts |
CC...Card College
CUCM...Close Up Card Magic |
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MField2000 Special user Hastings, East Sussex, England 590 Posts |
TnR - Torn 'n' Restored
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Nom de Guerre New user 82 Posts |
At least for the moment I am leaving out acronyms/initialisms for sleights and "moves." I have asked for help clarifying the issue from the powers that be. Hopefully someone will have a chance to review and comment. So for now, I'm going to err on the conservative side, and I'd like to ask folks to please refrain from adding posts with sleights/moves. Thanks!
ACAAN - "Any Card At Any Number." A group of card tricks or effects that generally have the performer producing a card that is thought of or named by a spectator at any number or position within the deck... the number is also determined by the spectator. ACR - "Ambitious card routine." CAAN - "Card At Any Number." Please refer to ACAAN. CC - "Card College." Roberto Giobbi's classic work on card magic in 5 volumes plus several "Lite" volumes with easier or semi self working card magic. There is also a DVD release by the same name of Giobbi demonstrating and teaching the techniques in the series. Currently, the DVD's for Volumes 1 & 2 have been released and are available. CUCM - "Close Up Card Magic." Harry Lorrayne's famous book that many cite as the best book on card magic ever written. EATCT - "Expert At The Card Table." S.W. Erdnase's famous book published in 1902. ECT - "Expert Card Technique." A famous book by Hugard and Braue FASDIU - "From A Shuffled Deck In Use." An acronym invented by Paul Cummins. His definition: "The concept behind the title of the manuscript is that all of the card effects may be performed without any prior preparation or pack prearrangement - from a shuffled deck in use. Frequently it is necessary to make a quick run through the deck and cull a couple of cards, but I have always been able to cover those times with a bit of patter." FISM - The Fédération Internationale des Sociétés Magiques From the Wikipedia entry: "(International Federation of Magic Societies) was founded in 1948, and is one of the most respected organizations in the magician community. It is an international body coordinating dozens of national and international clubs and federations around the world, representing approximately 50,000 Magicians from 32 countries. The organization hosts a self-named "FISM" conference every three years, where magicians compete for "Best of" categories." OOSOOM - Dai Vernon's "Out of Sight, Out of Mind." OOTW - "Out of This World." Arguably the most famous card trick of the 20th century created by Paul Curry in 1942. OOTU - "Out of This Universe." Harry Lorrayne's reworking of OOTW RRCM - ""Royal Road To Card Magic," by Hugard and Braue. SWE - S.W. Erdnase TnR - "Torn and Restored." A category of tricks in which an object, usually made of paper (i.e. a newspaper, a playing card, bills of money, etc.), is torn and then restored. |
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kcg5 Inner circle who wants four fried chickens and a coke 1868 Posts |
NDO-new deck order
and my favorite SF-Steve Forte
Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!!!!!
"History will be kind to me, as I intend to write it"- Sir Winston Churchill |
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MagicMattMan Special user Tampa, FL 741 Posts |
WYSIWYG: What you see is what you get
"For those who believe, no explanation is necessary; for those who do not, none will suffice." -Joseph Dunninger
"Do not forget to entertain strangers, for by so doing some people have entertained angels without knowing it."Hebrews 13:2 |
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kcg5 Inner circle who wants four fried chickens and a coke 1868 Posts |
I'm going crazy, what is the acronym for remembering the order of the suits? Something like Spades, Hearts, Clubs, Diamonds? A word longer than four letters, but is used to remember what suit appear in a ordered deck? Someone help me!!!!!
Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!!!!!
"History will be kind to me, as I intend to write it"- Sir Winston Churchill |
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
CHaSeD, perhaps?
In bridge, it's easy to remember the order of the suits (in the bidding): they're alphabetical. |
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kcg5 Inner circle who wants four fried chickens and a coke 1868 Posts |
YES!!! Chased is it.
Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!!!!!
"History will be kind to me, as I intend to write it"- Sir Winston Churchill |
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Troels Loyal user Denmark 205 Posts |
On the Café I have often met: ETMC = Easy to Master Card Tricks by Michel Ammar
SACT = Semi Automatic Card Tricks Troels |
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apple123 Regular user 107 Posts |
CATO...Cut And Turn Over, a great principle in card magic credited to Bob Hummer.
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
Or CATTO: Cut and Turn Two Over.
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
We, card players, often use:
SD - Second Deal BD - Bottom Deal CD - Center Deal PS - Push-Trhu GD - Greek Deal There are maybe a couple of others. Yes I know they're card sleight acronyms, but we use them a lot . |
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