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mavericklancer Elite user Tustin, CA 448 Posts |
Hi all. I was wondering if there were any decent/good non-metal chop cups around the $60 and under range. I'm looking into the Killer Cup from the Ambitious Card, but beyond that I'm not really sure. I'm more of a coin guy, but have recently developed an interest in these routines.
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conjurormatt Regular user Ft. Worth, TX 181 Posts |
There are some nice Bamboo ones being made by either Tabman or J. Whittaker (both are here on the Café), which is how the first chop cup was made. I believe that they both charge in the $45-$50 range.
Matthew Martin
"Merely to be acquainted with the basic secret of a card trick, in no way qualifies you to perform it. Few people realize that even a simple trick in the hands of a capable performer can become a minor miracle." ~Dai Vernon |
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
All of the cups mentioned are very good chop cups.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
Ron Wilson devised one of the greatest chop cup routines, which was written up without permission or credit by Larry Jennings. Ron took a paper cup, put in the "work" and it probably cost him pennies to make.
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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Keith Mitchell Special user 799 Posts |
Eric Hansen has really nice cups at great prices, the wooden cup he made for me is probably the best chop cup I own. Go to http://www.magicnook.com/EricHansen/EricHansen.htm
Have fun, Keith |
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fortasse Inner circle 1201 Posts |
I'm a great admirer of Hansen's chop cups - and Benson bowls. Great selection of woods and wonderful craftsmanship.
Fortasse |
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mavericklancer Elite user Tustin, CA 448 Posts |
Thanks, guys. Hansen's and Whittaker's cups both look very interesting. Tabman's cups look very natural, which is quite appealing to me. I'm most likely going to go with either Tabman's or the Killer cup. I like the look of Tabman's, but the offset gaff in the killer cup sounds quite interesting.
I also looked into Fantasma's Buddha Chop Cup which is quite cheap now at around $60, but research shows that it has a talking problem. And the fact that the logo is stamped all over the inside doesn't help either. It's too bad because I had a great patter idea with it. I'm also curious to what size I should get. Are bigger cups easier to handle, or smaller ones? The same goes for the balls. I see that RNT2 balls are recommended, but what's a good size to start with? Forgive my ignorance on the subject, but a preliminary search on the Café shows that there haven't been any threads on this lately. And my last question is what makes some chop cups so much more expensive than others? I understand that differences in quality of machining, material selection, and aesthetics play a factor, but is there any difference in ease of use or operation of the gaff? It's just a bit odd that I've seen chop cups going all the way up to $300+ that don't seem to be gaffed in any additional way. Feel free to PM me if an explanation would be too revealing. |
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
Really? Where have you seen a Fantasma Buddha chop cup for sale lately? You can't get them any more. They may be advertised, but nobody has got them. If there are any for sale at $60, and they are in good condition, I would like to buy them.
As far as the difference in cost is concerned, in some of the cheaper cups, the lining will fall out. It's not a common occurrence, but it can happen. The RnT II cups are currently the best that you can get on a consistent basis. The absolute best are the Sherwoods. It would be useless for me to explain the differences. It would be a lot like trying to explain why "La Giaconda" is worth millions and the things that Thomas Kinkade paints are worth less than $100 each, even if the prices are higher than that on his web site. Go to the cups and balls museum to at least see what the different cups look like.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
HAHAH... KINKAID... YAY WHAT CRAP.
If you ever come to L.A., come see our fine art collection. Google my wife's father, "Donald Teague" ... Posted: Jan 10, 2011 9:21pm ) Here's one link... http://www.fada.com/browse_by_artist.htm......44&bio=1
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mavericklancer Elite user Tustin, CA 448 Posts |
My apologies, Bill. I didn't notice that while they are advertised for $60 on mjm and magic depot, they're both sold out.
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
Exactly. They have been sold out for about 2 years.
BTW, the Fantasma logo only appears inside the cup. When I originally reviewed it, it hadn't become a "classic." This said, you probably don't need to spend a fortune for your first chop cup. I would plan on spending about $100, including the balls. RnT II can probably fix you up with a copper Don Alan for that amount. Otherwise, get a good aluminum one. Don Alan used an aluminum cup all the time. The expensive ones, such as the steel and bronze cup usually have two layers and require extra machining. Also, polished stainless steel is more expensive than polished copper, because it is a much harder metal, and takes more time to polish. A large cup, such as the Don Alan, gives you the option for larger loads. Jim Riser makes some nice cups as well, but I think you know the hoops you have to jump through to get one. Tim Star makes really nice cups, but he is very busy right now, and doesn't have time to deal with making any new stuff at the moment. Check the for sale section here.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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Keith Mitchell Special user 799 Posts |
Two things I look for in a good chop cup - It's ability to function the way it is supposed to and the fact that there is nothing obvious about the cup. Eric Hansen's cups meets both my criteria better than other cups. On top of that it is a great looking cup at a low price. Just for the heck of this topic I am going to contact Eric and order another chop cup.
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mavericklancer Elite user Tustin, CA 448 Posts |
Just wanted to take a chance to thank everyone who has contributed to this thread, and especially the people who have pm'd me. The explanations there, here, and the exhibits at Bill's museum have given me an exponentially better understanding of chop cups than I thought I would get. I now see the differences in quality, aesthetics, handling, and function between cups and have come across quite a few awesome makers. I'm still on the fence between which cups I want to get, but I promised myself that I'd make a decision by the weekend.
On a slightly unrelated note, I was thinking of starting with the Greater Magic Teach In - Chop Cup (which I see has both the Don Allen and Larry Jennings famed routines), and World's Greatest Magic: Chop Cup. Would these be good to start with? I feel that chop cup sleights would be mostly easy for me to pick up, given my background in coin magic, but would be open to more beginner tutorials if it would be more beneficial. |
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
There is no "Larry Jennings" routine. There is a routine Larry Jennings PINCHED from Bob Stencil.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
Bill, actually the routine was Ron Wilson's the final load was from Stencil, which Ron had permission to use, but not publish. Ron was pretty upset at Larry for publishing it. Larry said the reason was Bill Larsen wanted something right away for Genii, and Larry didn't have anything, but did have Ron's routine written up and said he didn't think about the credits until after it was printed.
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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Denis Bastible Loyal user Buffalo, New York 293 Posts |
Hey mavericklancer, the Killer Cup is great and the offset gimmick is a REAL plus. The quality is VERY high.
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
OK ALL THIS MADE MY THINK ABOUT SOMETHING I DON'T THINK HAS EVER BEEN TRIED.
Take a paper cup, drop a magnet in it and add slush powder (secretly ahead of time) and have it in your case, or handy. Bring out the cup and pour some water in it.... wait a bit then drop a ball in... turn it over and the ball doesn't drop out... produce ball from ??? and do a chop cup routine.
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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conjurormatt Regular user Ft. Worth, TX 181 Posts |
Sounds interesting Pete, I might just have to try that.
Matthew Martin
"Merely to be acquainted with the basic secret of a card trick, in no way qualifies you to perform it. Few people realize that even a simple trick in the hands of a capable performer can become a minor miracle." ~Dai Vernon |
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topchange52 Regular user 178 Posts |
I've used a home made chop cup for many years made as follows. A smallish leather dice cup felt lined, a flat round magnet superglued into the base and then covered by a matching felt insert,works great, inexpensive.
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conjurormatt Regular user Ft. Worth, TX 181 Posts |
Hi topchange,
Glad to see a new user. Just to let you know, we usually avoid talking about the inner mechanics of tricks on the open forum. When you get at least 50 posts, you'll be able to enter the Secret Sessions, where one can talk more freely. Cheers!
Matthew Martin
"Merely to be acquainted with the basic secret of a card trick, in no way qualifies you to perform it. Few people realize that even a simple trick in the hands of a capable performer can become a minor miracle." ~Dai Vernon |
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