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Wisconsin is not a tipping country, either (bunch of overweight cheapskates up here), which is why busking and working restaurants for tips only generally does not fly here. However, if you are cleaning up after yourself for a tip, you're doing it for the wrong reason. I think you do it out of common courtesy and respect for the venue and your customer. Anything else that comes of it is gravy.
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I always clean up the room following a showas I just think it is respectful. When doing a mouthcoil at a kids show, it never fails that it is quickly transformed into confetti. The same goes for Balloon Bag remants, rope clippings, stray sponge balls, etc. I bring a pop-out camping waste basket which also works nicely as a drop bag for various items.

I hope my tips come having such a great show and performance. Cleaning up is simply not giving them an excuse to rethink the value received.

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On 2011-01-18 10:06, ku7uk3 wrote:
Billy Bo, how many shows did you do last year? Because I imagine someone not doing the effect would get more bookings that someone doing it.

Any entertainer will always get some repeat work, based on the fact that your probably the only entertainer that clients knows. It doesn't mean that one trick has helped you get more bookings.

The only way we can really calculate if the trick has actually benefited referral work is to find out how many shows you did and compare it to someone who does not perform the trick. Even then its going to be difficult to calculate but the numbers of shows will give us a general idea.


Are you for real Stephen? I really think your getting way to obsessed with this. Lets say I do a great show the the 'dreaded' snow storm, but the the next guy does a sh*te show but without a snow storm, or I do a sh*te show with a snow storm and the next guy does a great show without a snow storm what does this prove. Your theory is that if the next guy gets more bookings its because I do a snow storm, but if he doesn't then what has that proved. Its proved that your opinion and the way you percieve this is completely ridiculous. Seriously everyone is different, what works for some, jokes, tricks, humour etc may not work for others. ANd visa Versa. Im sure many would cringe at the way I am when I arrive at shows, I hug and give mum a kiss, and generally have a laugh with the adults througought the show. Maybe we should see if the next entertainer does this and compare show totals Stephen?
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Your the one that bought up the topic of making a mess gets you repeat business. Or did you forget about that?
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Woah there cowboy, I never said anything of the sort. All I said was I get requested to perform that trick when they call to book after seeing me. At no point did I say " I get more bookings because I make a mess" in that context.
You really need to stop looking too far into things.
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I always clean-up or volunteer to clean-up - most of my shows there is no mess to clean up - Sometimes there is at the school shows and I am always told not to worry about it, that they will have the custodian do it. But the point is, I always offer (unless other arrangements have been made prior to the show) to leave the venue better than I found it.
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What are your guys thoughts about popped balloon animals? Do you pick them up?
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Always pick up Balloon remnants purely as ive worked as H+S Manager at Englands largest indoor adventure park and am paranoid of child safety, parents tend to notice aswell. To be honest what really annoys me is when I turn up and parents have flooded the hall in balloons(Yes this is in my party tips sheet of No No's) The children then go and burst all balloons, my worst nightmare as I then spend 5 minutes picking it all up.
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I always will pick up everything after my show. I do not care if it is from my show or something a kid dropped. My belief is that if you are a professional, you leave the place exactly as you found it when you got there. if you can, you leave it better then when you got there.

If there is trash on the floor, I pick it up. If furniture was moved, I offer to move it back. I make sure everything is as it should be. It is only the right thing to do. now with small pieces of trash and poppeed balloons, always pick that up as soon as you can. that can become a choking hazzord for a young child.

Parents will notice your good manners and cleaning up after yourself is just good business as well.

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Leave the venue you perform at cleaner than you found it!
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So: always clean up after yourself unless you have a particularily messy effect and have informed the booker of the mess you will be leaving beforehand (not forgetting to check that the booker doesn't believe that weather conditions actually spring from your* palm).

Is that what y'all been trying to say for the last 2 pages?

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Just as a little horror story...I do a very 'clean' act, in that I don't leave anything at the venue. Anything I 'produce' gets taken home with me. Well.....during communion season, one of my selling points are goody bags that I give to each of the children after the show. At one gig, I'm done....I give out the goody bags....and leave. The restaurant manager runs out after me....saying "aren't I going to clean up?". I say 'what'?? It seems that most of the kids dumped their bags on the floor to rummage through them...and of course, left the remains. I had to tell the manager that I had to run to my next show...(which I did.) I was a little annoyed that he would expect me to clean up what the kids had done...I had given out very contained items. I'm sure I could have handled it better...but it was the only time it has ever happened in many, many shows.
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I suppose next time give the bags to the booker to give out as they leave?

I can see where the managers coming from as it was something you gave out and the mess sounds pretty inevitable. Where's Mary Poppins when you need her?

Quite often there's a mess where the kids have been sitting but since I didn't give them any of it I don't feel too guilty about leaving it. I should really get the kids to tidy it up, thinking about it.

When I do balloon workshops over the summer I make a special model at the start to demonstrate and then give it out at the end to the best tidier upper.

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LOL! When I first read your comment, George, I thought you meant give a clean-up trash bag to the manager!
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Ha!

"There you go, have fun!"

Don't think it would go down too well.
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Regarding Ku7uk3's opening post, I fail to see how the sponge balls could leave a mess......the kids would snatch them up like candy! I get a lot of paper circles on the floor when I 'blow the spots off' the polka-silk, but I always sweep 'em up after, that is, the 1/3 or so that're LEFT after the lil' rugrats have scavenged the rest! I look at cleaning up afterwards like this: No it wont NECESSARILY help you, but it will NEVER hurt!
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I generate s small amount of clean up from the water monte but as others have posted, the kids often scarf it up before the show is done. Still, I do ask for a broom to clean up anything that may be left. I'm often told not to worry about it. I've only used "snow storm" outdoors.
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I have been away from this thread for a bit and just read the post and had some good laughs.

just got in and took off my bullet proof vest Smile

let me clarify a few things

first yes a lot of my venues are stages as Al pointed out places like casinos but I also play churches, schools, libraries, and yes private homes and yes I do the snow storm there.

really I am surprised by all panic most of you seem to have. I am a professional just like many of you here on the Café and by putting it in my contract and specifically making them aware of it at the time of booking the show I see know problem with it.

I get a lot of repeat bookings and yes they ask for the snow illusion. I also bump into people in every day life that recognize me and mention that very illuion.

I go into homes and do the snow and yes leave the mess. I used to take a small shop vac but they would never let me clean it up.

look the reality is if you make the client aware of it then there is no problem. not one of my follow up letters with comment section ever got me a complaint. I did have library once that asked to have me back but would rather not have the snow this year. cool with me

any way make a mess and have some fun!!

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Ive always for soem reason have second questioned performing my snowstorm act in childrens parties because of the fact of leaving a mess at the venue.
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It's quite simple for me really. If you make a mess, you clean it up. No questions asked. you leave the place as you found it. No exscuse to leave a mess at a venue even if a client said it was ok. Be a professional.

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