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So: always clean up after yourself unless you have a particularily messy effect and have informed the booker of the mess you will be leaving beforehand (not forgetting to check that the booker doesn't believe that weather conditions actually spring from your* palm).

Is that what y'all been trying to say for the last 2 pages?

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Just as a little horror story...I do a very 'clean' act, in that I don't leave anything at the venue. Anything I 'produce' gets taken home with me. Well.....during communion season, one of my selling points are goody bags that I give to each of the children after the show. At one gig, I'm done....I give out the goody bags....and leave. The restaurant manager runs out after me....saying "aren't I going to clean up?". I say 'what'?? It seems that most of the kids dumped their bags on the floor to rummage through them...and of course, left the remains. I had to tell the manager that I had to run to my next show...(which I did.) I was a little annoyed that he would expect me to clean up what the kids had done...I had given out very contained items. I'm sure I could have handled it better...but it was the only time it has ever happened in many, many shows.
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I suppose next time give the bags to the booker to give out as they leave?

I can see where the managers coming from as it was something you gave out and the mess sounds pretty inevitable. Where's Mary Poppins when you need her?

Quite often there's a mess where the kids have been sitting but since I didn't give them any of it I don't feel too guilty about leaving it. I should really get the kids to tidy it up, thinking about it.

When I do balloon workshops over the summer I make a special model at the start to demonstrate and then give it out at the end to the best tidier upper.

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LOL! When I first read your comment, George, I thought you meant give a clean-up trash bag to the manager!
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Ha!

"There you go, have fun!"

Don't think it would go down too well.
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Regarding Ku7uk3's opening post, I fail to see how the sponge balls could leave a mess......the kids would snatch them up like candy! I get a lot of paper circles on the floor when I 'blow the spots off' the polka-silk, but I always sweep 'em up after, that is, the 1/3 or so that're LEFT after the lil' rugrats have scavenged the rest! I look at cleaning up afterwards like this: No it wont NECESSARILY help you, but it will NEVER hurt!
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I generate s small amount of clean up from the water monte but as others have posted, the kids often scarf it up before the show is done. Still, I do ask for a broom to clean up anything that may be left. I'm often told not to worry about it. I've only used "snow storm" outdoors.
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I have been away from this thread for a bit and just read the post and had some good laughs.

just got in and took off my bullet proof vest Smile

let me clarify a few things

first yes a lot of my venues are stages as Al pointed out places like casinos but I also play churches, schools, libraries, and yes private homes and yes I do the snow storm there.

really I am surprised by all panic most of you seem to have. I am a professional just like many of you here on the Café and by putting it in my contract and specifically making them aware of it at the time of booking the show I see know problem with it.

I get a lot of repeat bookings and yes they ask for the snow illusion. I also bump into people in every day life that recognize me and mention that very illuion.

I go into homes and do the snow and yes leave the mess. I used to take a small shop vac but they would never let me clean it up.

look the reality is if you make the client aware of it then there is no problem. not one of my follow up letters with comment section ever got me a complaint. I did have library once that asked to have me back but would rather not have the snow this year. cool with me

any way make a mess and have some fun!!

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Ive always for soem reason have second questioned performing my snowstorm act in childrens parties because of the fact of leaving a mess at the venue.
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It's quite simple for me really. If you make a mess, you clean it up. No questions asked. you leave the place as you found it. No exscuse to leave a mess at a venue even if a client said it was ok. Be a professional.

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Quite Simple, don't make a mess in the first place.
And if you do have paper or mess lying around. make it a game for the kids to pick it up. A prize for the one who picks up the most paper and puts it in the bin.
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HOLD ON! YOUR SAYING THAT I AM NOT PROFESSIONAL FOR LEAVING THE SNOWSTORM!

say it aint so! it has nothing to do with being professional! I don't think Copperfield is staying after to sweep up the snow from his show.

I always clean up everything from my show except the snow. after 50 or so shows where I asked permission to do the effect and then brought a mini shop vac to clean it up and EVERY ONE OF THEM would not let me do it. they all said please don't clean it up we will do it! so I now tell the clients wheather it be in a home or on a stage at a school or church etc that I do this illuion and that no I don't stay to clean it up.

nothing unprofessional about that at all.

Now Kyle- yes at knobels I have always cleaned up the conffetti but that was also part of the agreement with them.

again I don't see how this is unprofessional in any way. if you prefer to clean it up then great. I don't see it that way and don't have a problem nor do my clients who book me year after year after year after year and many making sure that I do the snow illusion!

ok done venting now:)

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I own childcare centers and although I perform for our children regularly, parents do sponsor professional magic shows once a while. I assure all of you that those who bother to clean up will definitely create very good impression. In fact, they are the ones that the teachers remember to recommend when the need arises (probably the magicians have made their life a little easier, but that is a separate issue). So this is right from the horses' mouth...It's just good for business
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That sounds good but I perform in 30-50 daycares every summer year after year never had a problem!

they actually request the trick. they have pictures hanging on the wall of the kids jumping up to catch the snow its a great kodak moment and they love it.

look I am not trying to convince any one here that they are wrong or that I am right just don't want to be called unprofessional for peforming a spectactular illusion that gets great reacations and requested all the time.

I agree whole heartily that you should never make a "mess" - I never leave broken balloons or trash, water bottles etc and if you move some thing put it back however the confetti from my show is not that big of a deal to my clients or else I would be out of a job by now.

I am not going ot argue this point any more do as you wish but please know that there is nothing wrong with putting in your contract what you do and what you are responsible for and what the client is responsible for.

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Sam: My comment was not aimed at you in the least. Not at all. It was a general statement to everyone as a whole about making messes and cleaning them up at venues. Just my opinion is all.

Really, it was not aimed at you at all. Sorry if you took it that way. =)

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You know Kyle I knew that I just got a little worked up there my friend! and I mean that you are my friend and appreciate your friendship! I know that it was not aimed at me sorry for coming off so harsh!

I understand you completely and for you its what you want in not leaving anything behind but for me and my clients it works.

trust me I finish packing at these homes or daycares and look at the place being a disaster and think really they pay me to do this and whats crazy is they bring me back year after year!

but they love it and that is all that matters.

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No problem. It's all good.

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So... Don't leave a mess unless you like really like the messy trick and believe yourself to be too 'important' to tidy up after yourself.

Is that the message sumafied or have I got it wrong?

And as for getting repeat shows after doing snowstorm. I think we have all mentioned the fact that this is really not the issue at play, its more about manors. If you create a mess, you should tidy up. Regardless of whether a client books you again. It might be your the only entertainer in town, or that they know. In which case they may hate the trick, but have no other option than to hire you again as you are the only entertainer. It doesn't mean they like having to clean up after you.

Let's put it this way, if you hired an entertainer and they leaved a mess at your home, nursery, village hall etc. Would you hire them again after they have made a mess?
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Well at least Stephen's business is picking up.

Kaboom tish! I thank you.
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Huh?
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