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Quite Simple, don't make a mess in the first place.
And if you do have paper or mess lying around. make it a game for the kids to pick it up. A prize for the one who picks up the most paper and puts it in the bin.
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HOLD ON! YOUR SAYING THAT I AM NOT PROFESSIONAL FOR LEAVING THE SNOWSTORM!

say it aint so! it has nothing to do with being professional! I don't think Copperfield is staying after to sweep up the snow from his show.

I always clean up everything from my show except the snow. after 50 or so shows where I asked permission to do the effect and then brought a mini shop vac to clean it up and EVERY ONE OF THEM would not let me do it. they all said please don't clean it up we will do it! so I now tell the clients wheather it be in a home or on a stage at a school or church etc that I do this illuion and that no I don't stay to clean it up.

nothing unprofessional about that at all.

Now Kyle- yes at knobels I have always cleaned up the conffetti but that was also part of the agreement with them.

again I don't see how this is unprofessional in any way. if you prefer to clean it up then great. I don't see it that way and don't have a problem nor do my clients who book me year after year after year after year and many making sure that I do the snow illusion!

ok done venting now:)

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I own childcare centers and although I perform for our children regularly, parents do sponsor professional magic shows once a while. I assure all of you that those who bother to clean up will definitely create very good impression. In fact, they are the ones that the teachers remember to recommend when the need arises (probably the magicians have made their life a little easier, but that is a separate issue). So this is right from the horses' mouth...It's just good for business
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That sounds good but I perform in 30-50 daycares every summer year after year never had a problem!

they actually request the trick. they have pictures hanging on the wall of the kids jumping up to catch the snow its a great kodak moment and they love it.

look I am not trying to convince any one here that they are wrong or that I am right just don't want to be called unprofessional for peforming a spectactular illusion that gets great reacations and requested all the time.

I agree whole heartily that you should never make a "mess" - I never leave broken balloons or trash, water bottles etc and if you move some thing put it back however the confetti from my show is not that big of a deal to my clients or else I would be out of a job by now.

I am not going ot argue this point any more do as you wish but please know that there is nothing wrong with putting in your contract what you do and what you are responsible for and what the client is responsible for.

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Sam: My comment was not aimed at you in the least. Not at all. It was a general statement to everyone as a whole about making messes and cleaning them up at venues. Just my opinion is all.

Really, it was not aimed at you at all. Sorry if you took it that way. =)

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You know Kyle I knew that I just got a little worked up there my friend! and I mean that you are my friend and appreciate your friendship! I know that it was not aimed at me sorry for coming off so harsh!

I understand you completely and for you its what you want in not leaving anything behind but for me and my clients it works.

trust me I finish packing at these homes or daycares and look at the place being a disaster and think really they pay me to do this and whats crazy is they bring me back year after year!

but they love it and that is all that matters.

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No problem. It's all good.

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So... Don't leave a mess unless you like really like the messy trick and believe yourself to be too 'important' to tidy up after yourself.

Is that the message sumafied or have I got it wrong?

And as for getting repeat shows after doing snowstorm. I think we have all mentioned the fact that this is really not the issue at play, its more about manors. If you create a mess, you should tidy up. Regardless of whether a client books you again. It might be your the only entertainer in town, or that they know. In which case they may hate the trick, but have no other option than to hire you again as you are the only entertainer. It doesn't mean they like having to clean up after you.

Let's put it this way, if you hired an entertainer and they leaved a mess at your home, nursery, village hall etc. Would you hire them again after they have made a mess?
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Well at least Stephen's business is picking up.

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Huh?
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I'm confused too. What has this got to do with country houses?
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Sure if the show I booked has a spectacular illusion or trick that they told me in advance that makes a mess and that I need to clean it up then I have no problem.

I think you are missing the point. staying to clean up the snow storm has nothing to do with being a professional or not being one.

in my contract it states things like needing tables for back stage,table and charis for lobby, full length mirror, trash can, water, soda, and mentions that I nor my team members stay to sweep up. at a theatre, or church or school, they have a clean up crew that comes in to... well clean up!

at a home party I make it very clear what I do and they never have a problem. oh and some one made the comment about being the only magician in town -- I know not directed specifallly at me I am just informing there are a very large number of magicians in my area mater of fact with in 60 minute radius there are some very famous and extremely talented magicians. I am lucky to live in this area where so many great magicians live. I get to bounce ideas off them and see some great shows.
there is even a juggler lives right up the street from me. (HI Al) LOL

so let me ask you all when you do a house party do you ask them to move the couch and or chair and maybe some toys?? so that you can have more space to set up?

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Country houses? What on earth are you talking about? Are you responding to the right thread?

As for Sam's question - I do occasionally ask them to move furniture if I feel it right to do so. For instance, moving the couch for the children to get into the room. Its one of those things you consider if you think it will help the children see the show. But I always move the furntiure back after the show.

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Quote:
On 2011-02-25 05:03, ku7uk3 wrote:
... its more about manors.


Yup.

Are you?
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Cmon George,,,for crying out loud,,,keep up man!! This thread has nothing to do with old houses in the country. Can't you reed propalee? Smile
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