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Jimmy Joza Special user New York City 760 Posts |
I used to perform this routine of regularly about seven years ago when I was more involved with doing magic on a part-time basis. I have been returning to magic the past year. And I plan on performing the Cords of Phantasia (can be Rice's Encyclopedia of Silk Magic Volume 2 and in Karl Fulves' Self-Working Handkerchief Magic book) in June at a school show and have the ropes penetrate the school principal and have four kids (in their mid-teens) involved with pulling the rope. I love this routine because I do think it packs small and plays big. And it utilizes no gimmicked rope. It seems to date back to at least 1937.
I was just wondering if anyone here performs this or has performed this recently and how it plays for you? (I realize that the references I gave are in books that deal with silk magic but the penetration involves a rope.) Jimmy
"Those who simply walk in others' tracks leave no footprints."
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Spellbinder Inner circle The Holy City of East Orange, NJ 6438 Posts |
Wiz Kid Qua-Fiki used the basic principle for one of the effects in his "Blendo Ropes" routine in The Wizards' Journal #16. But he also uses it regularly in his kid show programs as a "Magic Clothesline" trick.
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magicians Inner circle Teacher and Legend 2898 Posts |
I always use this to "stretch" a show. The best performance of this was Dick Zimmerman who use heavy velvet covered drapery roping with gold tassel.
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Jimmy Joza Special user New York City 760 Posts |
Thank your responses, Spellbinder and Magic Ian. I am glad to hear others are using this routine.
Jimmy
"Those who simply walk in others' tracks leave no footprints."
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
As a magician can't win bit: choose any silk but that one... (Of course, it is a moving target.)
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Tim Hughes New user Shropshire 25 Posts |
I took the Cords of Phantasia routine from Tarbell and put in on in the village show - I had kids on stage and gave them wigs - it was the ancient ritual of joining night and day - one was Phoebus the sun god, and the other was Diana the Moon - I had Pan playing a whistle in the middle around which the cords were wrapped, and the silks represented Earth Fire Air and Water. The audience seemed to like it, but I think that was mainly seeing the kids on stage.
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Payne Inner circle Seattle 4571 Posts |
I use the cords of Phantasia in my Harry Potter show to teach the rules of Quidditch. The ropes, representing the sky where Quidditch is played are tied around a small broomstick. A Nimbus 1. Next the goals are but on, 3 on each side and tied in place. Next each ball is brought out and it's name and use explained. Two Bluggers, One quaffle and of course the golden snitch. These each have a hole drilled through them so they can be threaded onto the rope. They fouls of the game are then discussed and he worse one, having your broom stick go through any of the goals is explained. Of course having your broomstick go through a goal causes them to fall out of the sky penetrate the ropes) which ends the game.
There is also a great variation that I built out of one of Eric Lewis' Miracle Trilogy. It uses a pirate chest. gold rings are threaded onto two ropes which are then threaded through the holes on either side of the small pirate chest. One by one each ring is removed. Yet the pirate chest still is suspended on the ropes. Once the rings have been removed the pirate chest is pulled from the ropes while the helpers are still holding onto the ropes. Always gets a big gasp when the chest is removed.
"America's Foremost Satirical Magician" -- Jeff McBride.
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Jimmy Joza Special user New York City 760 Posts |
What great uses of the Cords of Phantasia! I began to visualize each application unfoldig in my mind. Thanks for sharing.
I work in a middle during the week and teh school will have an International Night in which there will different peroformances (mostly by the students but also by a couple of staff members, iuncluding me. The school is for students from different countries who are new immigrants to the USA and for whom English is not their first language. I have not yet planned out what the setting will be but those shared by Tim and Payne are definitely a source of motivation. Now I have to get back to planning the routine out. Payne, if you don't mind, I would like to PM you later on your variation using Eric Lewis' Miracle Trilogy. Jimmy
"Those who simply walk in others' tracks leave no footprints."
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Julie Inner circle 3936 Posts |
John Calvert has included a "Lazy Magician" variation of this trick in his performances for decades.
He sits down in a chair with the audience and directs the actions on stage from there... Julie |
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John Long Inner circle New Jersey 2826 Posts |
There is a clip of the Lazy Magician, that was posted on MC.
For myself, I didn't like it at all, but try to search for it, and decide for yourself
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cafeinst Elite user 489 Posts |
I'd like to use this in my show. Does anyone have anymore examples of patter to use with it? The routine definitely needs a good patter to be effective.
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
We used "Rope, Rings and Coat" version on spook shows. Lots of fun. There's a new Killer Version called "NANA'S NECKLACE" for close up by Dean Dill. Don in spectator's hands. Check it out.
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
I vividly remember the late Roy Mayer (St. Louis, MO) featuring this in his school show back in the '40s & '50s. Roy's 'version' of the Ropes, Rings, and Coat (he used the th***d as In Gr'ma's necklace) always scored with grades AND Highs!. I've inherited his rings, but I consider them "too special to use".
Guess who was doing it in his concert show in his last several years! OK...I'll tell you! Harry Jr. that's who! --and he really sold it! The night at Abbotts when we did the benefit for Jack and Anne Gwynne's tombstone fund, "Everyone" did ONE TRICK. The unspoken time limit was 5 minutes. (Karrell wanted to keep the show to 60 minutes) I 'drew' the deuce spot on the bill. Guess who opened (for me!?, well, I like to think so) BUT, Harry Jr. had a party to go to, so he opened the bill. So you wont think this story hijacks the thread! Harry opened with Cords of Fantasia! Dante, of course, did LAZY MAGICIAN using Cords of Fantasia principle and John Calvert still does it. I figure, it it's good enough for "them guys", it's good enough for me! I use it as a pad, when I need a few extra minutes. (I use the Lazy Magician theme). All I need to carry 'extra' is a rope that matches the long nitemare rope. The four "polys" (not silk) from the square knot or sympathetic silks, and the wand are already in the case. In my so called act, EVERYTHING 'DOUBLES'!!!
SNEAKY, UNDERHANDED, DEVIOUS,& SURREPTITIOUS ITINERANT MOUNTEBANK
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
Oh! NEIL FOSTER also used the Cords of Fantasia principle when he did school shows back in the '50s.
SNEAKY, UNDERHANDED, DEVIOUS,& SURREPTITIOUS ITINERANT MOUNTEBANK
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Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts |
There are a couple versions in Magic Digest by George B Anderson. One involves cups threaded on the ropes, and another uses a spectator's coat. I tried the coat version recently and it played really well. I am thinking about a way of combining this with the cups to get an expanded routine.
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Mike Maturen Inner circle Michigan's Beautiful Sunrise Side 2726 Posts |
The "Lazy Magician" version of this can be done with NO patter whatsoever. That's the way John Calvert does it.
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Mike Maturen
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
I like John Calvert (hekk, who doesn't?) but I DON'T LIKE HIS SET UP ACTION (WITH THE ROPES AND WAND). I can't remember details, specifically, but, when I saw it (in a thread on the café)I felt it was not a good technique. If I remember, Denny Loomis and I both commented on it (on the thread).
DANTE (Jansen) did the C of PH in his full evening show 70+ years ago. --I've seen a film of it, and it looked good. The basic principle goes back, I believe, to SCOT'S DISCOVERY OF WITCHCRAFT!!! The main reason that I use the LAZY MAGICIAN presentation is that all I need to carry "extra" is a length of rope (to match the long PB rope). (I guess I'm REALLY A LAZY MAGICIAN!!!
SNEAKY, UNDERHANDED, DEVIOUS,& SURREPTITIOUS ITINERANT MOUNTEBANK
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Mike Maturen Inner circle Michigan's Beautiful Sunrise Side 2726 Posts |
Dick,
I didn't like the set-up either...it truly gives away the "secret stuff". I intend to add it to my show...easy to do and looks terrific!
Mike Maturen
World of Wonder Entertainment The Magic and Mayhem of Mike Maturen 989-335-1661 mikematuren@gmail.com AUTHOR OF "A NEW DAWN--Weekly Wisdom From Everyday Life" member: International Magician's Society |
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
Mike>>>>>>>>>>>>>
When I use it, I have as mentioned above, an extra rope to match the PB long piece, plus the red and yellow "polys" from the square knot bit, and two more red and yellows (used when I do the sympathetic silks. Sympathetic Silks is used as a pad when I'm doing the full 60 minute show. OOOPS almost forgot I also have two blue polys tucked in to a corner of the prop case. If I need an extra minute, I can use red, yellow, and blue polys for the Lazy Magician routine. I've seen guys use 12" silks on the ropes---NG!!! They look "dinky". The bigger "silks" add some flash! The only real "work" is untying the knots in the polys after the show! Yup, I am a LAZY magician!
SNEAKY, UNDERHANDED, DEVIOUS,& SURREPTITIOUS ITINERANT MOUNTEBANK
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RajeshLGov Regular user India 149 Posts |
As a child I came across Cords of Phantasia in Ali Bongos book. I used to free borrowed bangles,rings etc under the cover of a silk as the wand is removed. Once I accidentally bent the borrowed gold bangle, it did not go well with the person who lent it to me ( adding salt to injury was the fact that it was our class teachers bangle). This incident taught me a very valuable lesson- "CARE for borrowed items HIGH PRIORITY". Best Regards, Raj.
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