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Pete Biro
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Posted: Mar 24, 2011 4:47pm
We are considering a run of the classic shape Johnny Paul cups. However the cost of brass and copper has skyrocketed. (Must have gold in it.)
So we are considering a high-quality aluminum alloy.
Thoughts please.
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lint
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Concord, CA
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Posted: Mar 24, 2011 4:54pm
With so many replicas out there will your be closer to the originals?
"There's many a slip 'twixt the cup and the lip..." -English Proverb
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jazzy snazzy
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Posted: Mar 24, 2011 4:54pm
Love mine. I'm sure they would be great whatever you use.
"The secret of life is to look good from a distance."
-Charles Schulz
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lint
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Concord, CA
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Posted: Mar 24, 2011 5:00pm
Ahh sorry Pete. I understand now. I was thinking Paul Fox in my head. I absolutely LOVE my brass ones. I would love them in a different material though.
"There's many a slip 'twixt the cup and the lip..." -English Proverb
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afinemesh
Inner circle
In Sebastopol, Ca. on a fence built with
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Posted: Mar 24, 2011 5:01pm
I'd certainly be interested in a set! 
"I've always been mental, I'm sure of it" Boris Pocus 
"Someday we'll look back on this and it will all seem funny". . .Bruce Springsteen
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fortasse
Inner circle
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Posted: Mar 24, 2011 5:51pm
I would be interested too.
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BCS
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Posted: Mar 24, 2011 6:02pm
Pete, You could count me in. The brass Cups are a great set and I am sure aluminum would be too. I have some old aluminum Birelli Cups that work pretty close to the JP set. And the originals were aluminum too were they not?
I think that it would be cool to even have them as another set of Traditional Cups, there are so few out there these days.
Good luck with the project!
Bruce
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francisngkl
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Singapore
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Posted: Mar 24, 2011 7:32pm
You have our support, Pete.
Francis
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Bill Palmer
Eternal Order
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Posted: Mar 24, 2011 11:15pm
What did I tell you, Pete?
"The Swatter"
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My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups."
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Pete Biro
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Posted: Mar 24, 2011 11:39pm
I forget... what did you tell me? hahahh....  
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dcjames
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Posted: Mar 25, 2011 12:17am
Count me in! Love the brass set.
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gaddy
Inner circle
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Posted: Mar 26, 2011 2:57pm
Aluminum? No.
Rags make paper,
Paper makes money,
Money makes banks,
Banks make loans,
Loans make beggars,
Beggars make...
...rags
-Anonymous, circa early 1700's
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Andrew Zuber
Inner circle
Manhattan Beach, CA
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Posted: Mar 26, 2011 3:52pm
Bummer...I'd go for brass. I'm not as much into aluminum. I should have picked up a set when they were available! I was never too crazy about the appearance to be honest...until Pete showed me what was possible with sponge balls and these cups. Some very deceptive and unique moves.
"I'm sorry - if you were right, I would agree with you." -Robin Williams, Awakenings
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Pete Biro
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Posted: Mar 26, 2011 5:27pm
Zoob... I have some really good brass spray paint
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Andrew Zuber
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Manhattan Beach, CA
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Posted: Mar 26, 2011 6:13pm
In that case put me down for a dozen sets.
"I'm sorry - if you were right, I would agree with you." -Robin Williams, Awakenings
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afinemesh
Inner circle
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Posted: Mar 26, 2011 7:04pm
Johnny Paul's cups on the greater magic teach-in DVD look chrome. Are they plated brass?
"I've always been mental, I'm sure of it" Boris Pocus
"Someday we'll look back on this and it will all seem funny". . .Bruce Springsteen
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Pete Biro
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Posted: Mar 26, 2011 7:22pm
Johnny Paul's original cups were aluminum alloy. When I produced them I had them spun out of brass. Not plated brass. A very few sets were nickel plated. The cups used in the printed instructions were brass.
"IF" we produce a new run, we will use an aluminum alloy as the price of brass and especially copper has skyrocketed.
We'd probably have to double the price of sets. NOTE: Dean Dill has found that these cups work perfectly to rig for David Regal's Cups & Balls and Cups & Balls routine.
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afinemesh
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Posted: Mar 26, 2011 7:37pm
Thanks, Pete
"I've always been mental, I'm sure of it" Boris Pocus
"Someday we'll look back on this and it will all seem funny". . .Bruce Springsteen
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AndrewJ
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Travis County, TX
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Posted: Mar 26, 2011 9:27pm
I am very fond of my beginner's level aluminum cups, and they seem to work very well for me. Even when I first used them in front of my ring, some of what I do with the cups alone was said to be my best work. (Not that it would have been difficult.)
If these are the style I think they are, I would love a set shaped like that as well.
Of course, there's always a glitch. I'm broke. That's a rant for elsewhere. If I can find a job working for real human beings before you get your cups produced then they would be a perfect second set.
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Pete Biro
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Posted: Mar 27, 2011 2:41am
See attached image for a photo of the Johnny Paul cups.
Click here to view attached image.
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Michael J. Douglas
Grammar Host
WV, USA
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Posted: Mar 27, 2011 5:38am
Hey Pete,
For some reason, I was thinking that Kaps used JP cups for his routine with sponges. However, the video off your site doesn't show that. Did he use the Paul style at some point, or do I have someone else in my mind?
Thanks
Michael J.
“Believe then, if you please, that I can do strange things.” --from Shakespeare’s ‘As You Like It’
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Pete Biro
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Posted: Mar 27, 2011 12:00pm
Kaps didn't use the JP'S they are not big enough for some of his moves. I think his were made in Europe.
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AndrewJ
New user
Travis County, TX
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Posted: Mar 27, 2011 4:11pm
Yes, those were exactly the ones I was thinking of. I loved seeing the similar shape in the Tin Cups Revival thread.
Maybe it's time to perform some spring cleaning and start selling old/unused items.
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manal
Inner circle
York ,PA.
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Posted: Mar 28, 2011 1:46pm
Weren't the origionals made of Foolium?
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Pete Biro
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Posted: Mar 28, 2011 2:21pm
Yes Foolium was a special alloy consisting of cheap aluminum.
Posted: Mar 31, 2011 5:43pm
DRAT... can't get the price down due to material costs... will work on other sources.
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manal
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Posted: Mar 31, 2011 9:10pm
I'm in for a set , please put me on the list .
Jim
Life is too important to take seriously.
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Bill Palmer
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Posted: Apr 1, 2011 12:13am
The cups Johnny Paul used on the Greater Magic Library video were made of aluminum and were ordinary tapered cups that were sold by some magic company in Chicago, probably not Ireland's or Magic, Inc. I have those cups.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC
My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups."
www.cupsandballsmuseum.com
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Nate Green
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Working my way past
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Posted: Apr 3, 2011 6:42pm
Pete,
Thank you for looking into making these available again. I would also be interested in buying a set.
-Nate
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Riley
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Maidenhead, England
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Posted: Apr 19, 2011 5:12pm
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On 2011-04-01 00:13, Bill Palmer wrote:
The cups Johnny Paul used on the Greater Magic Library video were made of aluminum and were ordinary tapered cups that were sold by some magic company in Chicago, probably not Ireland's or Magic, Inc. I have those cups.
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I knew the late Arthur Day very well, and Arthur was a good friend of Johnny. Arthur told me that Johnny's cups were from Petrie-Lewis.
Off topic a little now (sorry) but may be of interest...Johnny was visting with Arthur and they went to a social club near Arthur's home. The club was crowded, and there should have been a singer, but for some reason she hadn't arrived. Arthur mentioned to the organising people that his guest (Johnny) was a magician from the US and was well known. Of course, Johnny performed and killed them. In Arthur's words "they wouldn't let him go".
Riley
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Bill Palmer
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Posted: Apr 19, 2011 5:53pm
Actually, Johnny Paul's cups, that is, the set he used on the Greater Magic Video Library session, were not Petrie-Lewis cups. They were much cheaper than that. Jim Ryan used the same kind of cups. The set I have were part of the John Fisher collection. John got them from Johnny's widow. I got them at auction, along with lots of documentation, including the video where they were used.
If you are familiar with P&L cups, the differences are many and obvious.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC
My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups."
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