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Korhan Regular user Istanbul, Turkey 105 Posts |
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gaffed Inner circle So far I've managed to gimmick 1817 Posts |
I don’t know, after watching this week’s episode I’m really confused.
I’m not much of a card flicker, and never was. However I was giving some serious thought to perhaps purchasing “The Way of Shinobi” by Emran Riaz just to obtain a good card control, and or a good force. Now I’m not sure if I should buy it or simply use the card control used in “Pop Card"
"Half this game is ninety percent mental."
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Stapper New user the netherlands 91 Posts |
The card control of "Pop Card" is for free.
And if you send me an email, I will learn you the criss-cross-force for the same price |
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rjs Loyal user 296 Posts |
They rave about the shinobi control used as a force and claim it's superior to the classic force.
It's a cool move, but the major weakness of the shinobi is that , unlike the classic force, the 'chosen' force card is turned face up for all to see. |
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lumberjohn Special user Memphis, TN 626 Posts |
Agreed. This would significantly limit the effects you could perform with it. The fact that you don't know the identity of the card selected is part of the perceived impossibility of many card tricks. In fact, I often use this to throw off spectators, instructing them to make sure I don't see the card they have selected and then emphasizing that there is no way I could know their card after they have replaced it in the deck.
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gaffed Inner circle So far I've managed to gimmick 1817 Posts |
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On 2011-04-27 13:37, rjs wrote: Actually, they didn’t claim it to be superior to the Classic Force. They only claimed it was better if one did not know how, and or willing to take the time to learn the CF and the chance that the force card in a CF does not work out. Other than that I would have to agree that the Shinobi force card seems to be a face up card which would certainly be very restrictive as to when you could use it. Quote:
On 2011-04-27 13:24, Stapper wrote: And from what I saw.....so should the DVD!
"Half this game is ninety percent mental."
~Yogi Berra~ "To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible." ~St. Thomas Aquinas~ Twitter – "A means of proving how pathetic and lonely you are in 140 characters or less." ~Anonymous~ |
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jprace Inner circle 2209 Posts |
They did claim it to be superior compared to the Classic Force. It's implied when they say, "This is the best force I have ever seen."
Dave also said, "That is better than the Classic Force." I'd like to know if it's possible to do the control/force without exposing the face of the card. |
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gaffed Inner circle So far I've managed to gimmick 1817 Posts |
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On 2011-04-27 15:48, jprace wrote: Go back and look, or I should say; listen at 6:51 - 6:60 to what Dave says. But, whatever as it's obvious they were both very taken with the Shinobi force. As to whether it can be done without exposing the face of the force card I have no idea, but the very same question was asked HERE on the Shinobi thread.
"Half this game is ninety percent mental."
~Yogi Berra~ "To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible." ~St. Thomas Aquinas~ Twitter – "A means of proving how pathetic and lonely you are in 140 characters or less." ~Anonymous~ |
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davidpaul$ Inner circle Georgetown, South Carolina 3086 Posts |
JAy Sankey has what looks like a very similar force he has been using for years. Topper?
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rjs Loyal user 296 Posts |
Which DVD is the Sankey move on?
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michaelmystic2003 Inner circle 3062 Posts |
Sankey uses no such force, and the move you are in fact thinking of has nothing remotely similar except for where the force card comes from. What you are thinking of is also not a Sankey move... I believe it was originally created by Frank Garcia.
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KyleMacNeill Inner circle 2757 Posts |
IMO, the force isn't THAT good. Pretty nice, but Hofzinser spread force is way cleaner IMHO.
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rjs Loyal user 296 Posts |
Found it! Sankey explains Topper on his revolutionary card Magic DVD and credits Garcia.
Shinobi is not the same as this. |
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RichardSand New user Amsterdam 56 Posts |
I think the Sankey force people are referring to is the Wichita Slip force.
Also Patrick Kun's Mirror Force is also quite nice and doesn't show the back of the card I use this and the riffle force mainly. Shinobi only for select effects where it doesn't matter if I see the card I'm forcing.
I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realise that what you heard is not what I meant. - Alan Greenspan
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howie3 Regular user 107 Posts |
Hay Craig did you visit Boston, MA? Where did you get the hoodie from? I hope you liked my city.
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RichardSand New user Amsterdam 56 Posts |
Actually your probably not referring to that as it also doesn't look anything like shinobi sorry... where is my mind (pixies)
I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realise that what you heard is not what I meant. - Alan Greenspan
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taller8 Inner circle Olympia, Washington 1087 Posts |
I like the Shinobi control myself, but I agree, the Hofzinser spread force is hard to beat.
Would it be so hard to turn your head away if you don't want to see the selected card? The slight is easy enough to complete without looking, and it may even add to the casual nature of the move. |
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SimonG-97 Special user 508 Posts |
Can anyone honestly say if witness is worth getting , and would it be practical to use strolling?
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gaffed Inner circle So far I've managed to gimmick 1817 Posts |
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On 2011-04-28 12:58, SimonG-97 wrote: Do a search and you'll find a few threads about Witness on the Café as it is not a new effect, and has been out since 2007 (I think). HERE is one of the more lengthy ones.
"Half this game is ninety percent mental."
~Yogi Berra~ "To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible." ~St. Thomas Aquinas~ Twitter – "A means of proving how pathetic and lonely you are in 140 characters or less." ~Anonymous~ |
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Dan Bernier Inner circle Canada 2298 Posts |
The Shinobi force is limited I agree, but isn't most everything these days?
I can think of several card effects that require the chosen card to be turned face up for the magician to see. I realize that there are many more thought up card effects that require the supposed selected card to not be known by the magician, but either way, I like having several different methods to use at my disposal. I find that I prefer using several different forces, rather than sticking to just a few. And, I find some forces work better with certain effects than others do. It also changes things up so that I'm not always forcing cards the same way. As for the Shinobi force, I of course use it in an ambitious card routine utilizing the force as the first move to bring up the card to be signed. I think it's very visual. I also like using it when switching the force card with a gaffed card already on top. I bought the download from Theory11 when it was first released and will admit that I was very pleased with my purchase. It has several practical uses, and isn't too hard to learn.
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