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http://www.markedcardscontactlenses.com/......stem.asp

Has anyone of you fellows got this?
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I don't, but I wonder about the utility of scanner systems. I don't think I've ever sat at a table where the stakes were high enough to warrant this kind of device where cell phones were allowed on the table.
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I haven't got this one but in case it works the same way than the other ones a quick inspection of the sides of the decks reveals everything. Besides, you need to put the camera on the table at a certain angle (even if a good range is allowed). Lastly, not many games allows you to leave your cell phone, lighter, etc. on the table. And what about the micro ear stuff...

The idea is clever though and with some improvements it may be very hard to detect. I'm gonna work on something like that in a close future.
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There was an incredible scam about a year ago on full baccarat with a similar idea. The large denomination chips in some casinos are called plaques and are large square plastic looking things. The dealer would offer the cut for an eight deck shoe and "for luck" a player would put one of these "plaques" on the side of the deck and give it a little whack with his fist. Incredibly, in that moment, the plaque (which was filled with electronics) recorded all the cards in approximately a two deck slug just by touching the edges of a squared up shoe.
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I am laughing my ass off at the different systems for omaha and hold'em. Hysterical.
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They have "remote dice" as well.

"Do you know you can use remote control to control the dices?

It is a simple thing, you just need a set of remote controlling device, then you can control the dices. Of course the dices should be processed."
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@splice,

Me it's the prices that make me laugh.
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Prices? I can't see where the prices are there.
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I'm sure if I could see or find the prices I'd be laughing too.
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I'm not sure it's fair to tell you prices if you can't find them by yourself but let's do it another way.

There are similar products, sold elsewhere, for... hold your breath: $17K. Yes, you read me well, 17 grand.
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You're not sure that it's fair? Wow. You're just too much.

Let me be super-unfair and reveal some super-secret prices which you don't dare show:

http://www.buymarkedcards.com/casino.asp

Not everything's there, but I guess I'm just not l33t enough.
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It's not that I don't dare. I've never written they were secret prices. Some sellers want you to email them in order to know the prices. I call that respecting them. If they don't want to make them public, what should I?

About the price I gave, it's different, it's public, just find where it is Smile.

Note that many sellers are just the same one, using different websites. I wouldn't send my money without scratching my head...

PS: Nah, you're not l33t. Far from it.
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You see how ya'll are keeping me knowledgeable and up to date. Thank you


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http://www.cards999.com/TexasComputerEquipment.asp

So what's the score? IR edge or RF or what?
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I used to work retail in a record store that had huge inventory. Every year we'd have to inventory the whole store with bar code guns that were not cheap and it was a pain in the ass to get the *** guns to read the bar codes. Last time I was home, around december last year, I stopped in and found out that they'd switched over to a palm computer upc reader app because supposedly the cataloging was going to be much easier. But they were still using the old fritzy guns because they couldn't get the specially made, expensive scanner peripheral to read the barcodes without a lot of jiggery pokery to get the angle right. as lame as the guns were, the palmtop thing was just too sensitive to go fast enough for them. they were using them for recording merchandise deliveries, because that wasn't as labor intensive, but for the storewide annual inventory it was as tedious as it ever was.

I really really doubt that some modification to a nokia handset's built in camera is going to be that much better, and particularly since from the illustration it's reading length and position rather than just bar width which is what traditional UPC codes use.
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On 2011-05-18 16:06, AMcD wrote:
Some sellers want you to email them in order to know the prices. I call that respecting them. If they don't want to make them public, what should I?


Simply because you made a reference to finding the prices, not inquiring about them. That would presume you found the prices, so they are public, so there is no respect issue. But w/e.

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PS: Nah, you're not l33t. Far from it.


Ah, Arnold, always willing to judge people even if you have no clue who they are or what they know. Good on you, don't let your complete lack of knowledge of any relevant facts hold you back.
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On 2011-05-18 17:33, jfquackenbush wrote:
I really really doubt that some modification to a nokia handset's built in camera is going to be that much better, and particularly since from the illustration it's reading length and position rather than just bar width which is what traditional UPC codes use.


Those pictures they display as if they were taken from the cell phone sure look good. There's barely any of the noise that's omnipresent in low light conditions. However, since the data is being sent to a laptop anyway, there could be a lot of post-processing done in order to get better data from the picture. So it's probably theoretically possible, but I imagine it requires a good number of preconditions before you can get good performance out of it.
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Hm, maybe. still, that's some pretty sophisticated DSP and what happens when the dealer just finished eating chicken wings right before he shuffled so the edges are all dark and greasy all of a sudden? that's an awful lot of chaos to have to sort through. I personally have never been so great at reading edge work myself, so maybe I'm overly skeptical of it as a rule, but it still strikes me that if you're going to mark a card, the place to do it is not the place that's gonna be touched forcefully by somebody's oily thumbs a couple hundred times a game.
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Although, now that I think about it, the fact that it feeds the hands to you directly without an accomplice is interesting. I wonder how you tell it how many hands are in the game?
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@splice

Still weighting every word I write, still forgetting English is not my language, still no sense of humor, etc. I don't judge you! Writing that you're not a l33t was a pun, a joke. Such words are used when you are 15 years old, you are not 15 years old any more. Stop looking for the tiniest bad meaning possible under every letter I write, it's getting ridiculous.
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Yes, prices are high. There is one guy who contacted me sending links of such a product (magic.asia@yahoo.com). If you want you can check yourself. Also he gave me this link: http://www.digitalpoly.com


http://www.youtube.com/user/MagicAsia999#p/a/u/0/iTBCslbqWhE
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Check out this interesting comment on his video. Hard to believe someone selling stuff to rob people would be dishonest himself.


magicpoker2010 (1 year ago)
WARNING!!!!!!! this guy is a hustler. We made business with him... and he cheated on us. don't beleive a word of what he says. He will sell you invisible ink and you will get REGULAR ink. He will sell you stories!! his name is KEVIN. You will never get the products you payed for!!! You will get broken printer, regular ink and half of what he promissed to send to you. His company name if DIGITAL POLY, it is korean company. What looks professional on the internet from our experience it is all FAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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They caught me!!!
Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!!!!!



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Hahaha
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The system at least, seems to me to exists and work.
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On 2011-05-18 18:08, jfquackenbush wrote:
Although, now that I think about it, the fact that it feeds the hands to you directly without an accomplice is interesting. I wonder how you tell it how many hands are in the game?


Possibly it assumes the number of players based on the number of remaining cards in the deck. Presumably that's the reason they have a different device for omaha (4 holecards instead of 2), although why you wouldn't just program a switch to handle that, I have no idea.

If it's all scams it doesn't matter anyway.
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Yeah, that thought had occurred to me about deducing from the number of cards dealt, particularly because of the omaha thing. still, that means that the software needs to get two scans of the deck, first to see the current order and then see the deck after the hands are dealt in order to tell you who got what. I'm just talking theoretically now because scam or no scam, that guys website with the broken english and the blatant reveal of the method immediately struck me as a con. Clearly the big store is alive and well and living in cyberspace, and google is the world's best roper. But it also strikes me that just being able to determine the number of cards in the deck automatically is a useful piece of information for game protection because it would let you know immediately that either people are playing light or that there are hand muckers in the game. That might be a useful and legit app for anybody to want to have on their phone, particularly if you could do it without marking the cards...
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He or his place is not the only one that is selling it. ie

http://www.gambleromania.com/
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About the original link, this is where the guy has registered his domain name from:

Room 1109, 11th Floor
Airport Road, NO 9, Baiyun District
Guangzhou
Guangdong,N/A
CN

Here's a shot from Google Earth.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF......t=k&z=19

My guess is the guy is using his work address, because it looks like that whole building complex is full of light manufacturing facilities, paper boxes, tiles, stationary, that kind of thing.

Ok, I'm done pretending to be in the NSA for today.
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On 2011-05-19 00:44, Ron Conley wrote:
Hard to believe someone selling stuff to rob people would be dishonest himself.


Ron, you have him all wrong. This is clearly for magic tricks only. Smile

It's also worth noting that the comment you refer to was left by someone who also sells "magic marked cards."
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