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I just wanted to mention that Lee Ang Hsuan who just performed as a special guest at Magic Castle for a week started to sell his Evolution DVD. I guess I was one of the first to receive it directly from him. If you are looking for new card manipulation techniques make sure to check it out. There many new techniques you will like and most of them are on a DVD for the first time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4DVDlc-ba0&NR=1

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I hope the DVD is better than the trailer.
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Yes it is but everyone has to decide for himself. Here is Lee Ang`s clip from TMA last year to see what you can expect from his DVD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJ56BW26sdo
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Hi Bojan (and David!), where would I get the dvd from? I have done some googling, but to no avail.

I would love to have a play around with this stuff, albeit my aging fingers will allow!

I agree, David, the trailer is a bit of a 'blinder', isn't it - but then, that seems to be the contemporary way.

Thanks for sharing, Bojan.

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You can order it directly from Lee. His email address is laserlee0721@gmail.com
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Bojan, do you have a source on those unique cards in colors and jumbo color cards?
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Bill I can ask Lee where he gets his cards and send you links on your email.
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Now this is a manipulation magic act! Very well done, and many magical moments in it. Love the finale as well.

Looking forward to hearing from Lee about his video.
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On 2011-06-22 13:51, wmhegbli wrote:
Bojan, do you have a source on those unique cards in colors and jumbo color cards?



http://www.cards4magic.co.uk


These are Bicycles "The Red Deck", "The Yellow Deck" and so on - absurdly ugly cards from upclose, but look awesome on stage. As for the big ones, I don't know.

On a sde note - It didn't take much long until An Halim clones start to come up, lol.
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I believe the jumbo cards technique are not taught on the dvd.
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I believe the jumbo cards technique are not taught on the dvd.


They look pretty much the same as with regular cards. These jumbos have all blck backs, which truly works miracles (effect-wise) for BP'ing productions.
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Thanks, Bojan.

@ Fabio - they are ugly close up, and yes, they do look completely different from an audience/stage point of view. The web address you gave, is where I got mine from.

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Good news, Lee Ang Hsuan's DVD will be distributed through Murphy's Magic. So it will be available through your favorite dealer soon, or order direct through his email address.
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Grrrr... Magic is so strange in that the market is flooded with ideas at a pace that (especially in the realm of manipulation because it is not as well documented as close up magic) makes it difficult to tell whose idea belongs to whom. One of the multiple productions he has been doing I have been doing for years with no intention of "releasing." Another looks exactly the same as one of An Ha Lim's that (when I discussed it with him) he had no intention of "releasing."
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Grrrr... Magic is so strange in that the market is flooded with ideas at a pace that (especially in the realm of manipulation because it is not as well documented as close up magic) makes it difficult to tell whose idea belongs to whom. One of the multiple productions he has been doing I have been doing for years with no intention of "releasing." Another looks exactly the same as one of An Ha Lim's that (when I discussed it with him) he had no intention of "releasing."


Yeah... And that is sadly being called "evolution".
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There's a possibility that he came up with these completely independently. That's what makes it (the market) so frustrating right now. There's really no sure fire way to know (unless you "release" yours first - but some artists prefer not to sell their ideas and material). Smile
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To sell or give away hard techniques ... that will take years to perfect is much better than to give away secrets .. that's said
I see no harm in spreading new and inovative moves in manipulation we are in need of it more than new illusions because what ever you do you wount be able to discluase them they are like socer every bidy knows how to kick a ball but only one RONALDINO >
ok we don't want thtis to be in wrong hands but again who cares about techniques / ?????????onluy us
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Sometimes an innovative technique is the results of years of labor and creative expression and imagination. It hurts deeply when when someone (I'm not saying that this is necessarily the case here) teaches someone else's intellectual property without permission and proper credit. We need *ethical* spreading of new and innovative moves in manipulation.
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Believe me peter this happened to me many times in SPAIN including on who participated in Sgt at first I was angry .. but then I discovered that some of them acknoleged me for the move .. it made me prowed !!
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Peter what move are you talking about ? Lee Ang Hsuan used C-palm in 2005 so I doubt he copied An Ha Lim. Also, how do we know that An Ha Lim was first to use it ? I remember Nagisa used a similar palm on a video that was produced in 80ies ! Anyway, Lee tried to credit everyone properly after performance of each move. I know that he missed to credit Vladimir Mikek for twirling card production and Patrick Reymond for producing more than one card in each hand by twirling and he was very sorry that DVD was already out when I mentioned it.
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This DVD looks good, thanks for the update Bojan.
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Peter what move are you talking about ? Lee Ang Hsuan used C-palm in 2005 so I doubt he copied An Ha Lim. Also, how do we know that An Ha Lim was first to use it ? I remember Nagisa used a similar palm on a video that was produced in 80ies ! Anyway, Lee tried to credit everyone properly after performance of each move. I know that he missed to credit Vladimir Mikek for twirling card production and Patrick Reymond for producing more than one card in each hand by twirling and he was very sorry that DVD was already out when I mentioned it.


We don't. That is why I am expressing my frustration. Read my first post. Manipulation is not as well documented as close up magic and ideas are sometimes independently created around the same time. Part of the frustration in the magic market right now is that one person creates with no intention of "releasing" and someone copies or independently comes up with the same thing and "releases" it. This can be quite unnerving for the guy who wants to only perform with it.

My second post was a response to something someone else said. I never accused him of taking these moves. There is no way for me to know whether he did or not. I live on a different continent and I have never met him - heck, I haven't even seen the DVD.
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First let me congratulate Perter Pitchford on his manipulative act last week at the SAM convention in Pittsburgh. It was the most original and exciting approach I've seen to this kind of work in many years. Also, a general question, so many manipulators at the convention were doing the type of productions this thread is devoted to, is the Evolution DVD the only source or have other books/videos been devoted specifically to moves developed after the days when split fans and back and front palm single productions formed the bulk of most card production repertoires?
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Take a look at Juliana Chen's DVD. She teaches a few bits from her signature style.
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I wish he teach the Jumbo card production.
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On 2011-07-18 15:02, Tony Noice wrote:
First let me congratulate Perter Pitchford on his manipulative act last week at the SAM convention in Pittsburgh. It was the most original and exciting approach I've seen to this kind of work in many years.

Ditto. Great performance Peter.
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I may be missing something here but where can you do an act that you can throw five dozen cards all over the stage besides a magic convention? While I fully appreciate the skill, I frankly found it a little boring. How many ways can you throw cards in the air no matter what the color?

Look at what Cardini, Neil Foster, LePaul, and others did. There was a style and variety of the productions. And the stage was not left in a mess. As one pro said at the convention (who is a very good manipulator) why did they have a hat on stage...the cards never hit it.

Peter's act was well conceived and obviously the FISM judges thought so also as he did qualify for FISM. Granted maybe it was a little inside as a tribute to Cardini but I have seen it play well for the lay audiences also.

I bet the stage crew wore out four brooms on this contest. I will give credit to the gentleman from Korea who had a large round drop cloth on the stage to help with the clean up.

I think it is interesting to watch the trends in the latest wave of manipulation. First it was Chavez, then Neil Foster, then McBride and now the Korean style. It just goes in cycles.

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With Richard, I concur.
Magic conventions, magic seminars, conclaves, invitationals and other shows featuring only magicians... have created a secondary market for people who might have otherwise gone into the (nearly disappearing!) professional show business. Add to this the ancillary market of DVD and download sales, and you have a strong incentive to see more of this trend.

It means that they can willingly disregard the requirements of professional working conditions, as well as the realities of having sufficient variety, contrast and personality. In a professional arena they would otherwise necessarily have to compete with strong singers, dancers, or comics as well as entertain laymen who might judge a magician differently than an audience of other magic hobbyists would. Sometimes, we as magicians, are so fascinated by the promise of a new idea, that the fundamental objective of creating a impenetrable mystery is lost.

For example, if the artist whose video is at, or near the top of this thread wants to be a 'working pro' in the traditional sense, he would be best served in working on making the steals and body loads more deceptive and with stronger misdirection. If he is content to perform in all the newer hobbyist's markets, then he is serving himself well.

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With Richard, I concur.
Magic conventions, magic seminars, conclaves, invitationals and other shows featuring only magicians... have created a secondary market for people who might have otherwise gone into the (nearly disappearing!) professional show business. Add to this the ancillary market of DVD and download sales, and you have a strong incentive to see more of this trend.

It means that they can willingly disregard the requirements of professional working conditions, as well as the realities of having sufficient variety, contrast and personality. In a professional arena they would otherwise necessarily have to compete with strong singers, dancers, or comics as well as entertain laymen who might judge a magician differently than an audience of other magic hobbyists would. Sometimes, we as magicians, are so fascinated by the promise of a new idea, that the fundamental objective of creating a impenetrable mystery is lost.

For example, if the artist whose video is at, or near the top of this thread wants to be a 'working pro' in the traditional sense, he would be best served in working on making the steals and body loads more deceptive and with stronger misdirection. If he is content to perform in all the newer hobbyist's markets, then he is serving himself well.

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What a great post! Can we make this a sticky post that everyone MUST read when they start doing magic??

I do give them credit for finding a market for what they love. It seems to be a market that will support some of them as I know many people that just work for magicians. Between Conventions, Lectures, Books/DVD sales etc., they do very well.

My only point of divergence with the above is that I don't believe the people in this secondary market would otherwise have gone into a professional market. I believe most would have just fallen by the wayside with so many others who can't compete in the public sector.
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