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Hugokhf
Special user
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Posted: Jun 28, 2011 5:59am
Would you consider Dan and Dave two of the most talented card manipulators?
I mean comparing to many magicians, those two have not been into the business for ages, only around 12 years, but they are darn good at it and making up their own flourishes and sleights (which most of them are quite hard to do).
Would a normal people be able to reach their level in that short period of time? Normal I mean normal talented, but hard working.
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MitchellMac
Loyal user
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Posted: Jun 28, 2011 10:25am
They are probably the most talented flourishers flourishers. No offense to them but I don't think that they are very good magicians.
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MickeyPainless
Inner circle
California
6068 Posts
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Posted: Jun 28, 2011 11:05am
I just spent a few days around the Twins and in my opinion they are both extremely talented at flourishing as well sleight of hand! They are very well read in the classics and I've seen them fry laymen and magicians alike!
MMc
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Ben Train
Inner circle
Erdnase never had
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Posted: Jun 28, 2011 2:41pm
They`re talented flourishers and sub-par magicians.
Or, at least, that`s what I thought before I met them. In person though I had the pleasure of seeing them work- and they`re funny (in their own way, lol), extremely talented (they do some classic stuff, like DPS and bottom deals, extremely well!) and think about magic in a very unique, and beautiful, way.
Suffice to say, I`m a fan. They are very, very good.
Ben
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Justin W
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Lawrence, KS
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Posted: Jun 28, 2011 4:04pm
But first and foremost, they're excellent businessmen.
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Hugokhf
Special user
581 Posts
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Posted: Jun 29, 2011 1:48am
So you think normal person (not talented, not hard working) need maybe their lifetime e.g.30 years to reach their standard?, or never?
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Hugokhf
Special user
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Posted: Jun 29, 2011 1:51am
Also, I am kind of annoyed that all of their invented (or should I say modified) sleights require extremely finger coordinatioln and strength.
is there any way that I can train those fingers?
I have a hand grip thing (the one you see in dan and dave's website, I got the 7bl one)
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pepka
Inner circle
Uh, I'm the one on the right.
3797 Posts
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Posted: Jun 29, 2011 6:27am
My experiences with Dan and Dave is similar to Ben. Being a lover of classic card magic, I was quick to dismiss them as jugglers when they hit the scene. Then I met the twins on a trip to Vegas and was not only impressed by their skills as entertainers, but more imporanatly as fine members of our community who are very giving to anyone who has a question.
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Hugokhf
Special user
581 Posts
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Posted: Jun 29, 2011 6:30am
How come you guys all met someone famous? I mean magicians
do you met them in lecture? or just when you are hanging around in vagas?
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Cameron Francis
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Posted: Jun 29, 2011 12:16pm
Go to lectures and conventions and you'll meet a lot of "names" in magic.
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Hugokhf
Special user
581 Posts
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Posted: Jun 29, 2011 1:03pm
Even if a 'famous one' is lecturing, you can see other names attending the lectures too?
also, around what age is the people attending teh lecture? is it just for a few hours or throughtout a few days?
never been to a lecture b4
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Ben Train
Inner circle
Erdnase never had
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Posted: Jul 1, 2011 2:08am
There's a quote in the Vernon Book of Magic, attributed to Daley I believe, in which he offers this seemingly simple, and singular, piece of advice:
Learn to use a knife and fork.
Now over the years I've done a lot of thinking about it, and what I think it means, to some degree, is that many doors will open for you if you develop basic social skills.
If you want to hang out with one of your idols, you need to be the kind of person they WANT to hang out with. Skill in regards to magic is certainly a plus, but the most important consideration is the 'other' factors. Are you well dressed, or would someone be embarrassed to be seen with you? Have you showered and brushed your teeth? Are you able to carry on a conversation (talking AND listening)? Are you interesting? Funny? Kind? Etc.
Be a good magician, and an even better person, and you'll have no trouble making contact and building relationships with the people you're interested in meeting.
Best,
Ben
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mr.matt
New user
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Posted: Jul 1, 2011 10:32am
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On 2011-07-01 02:08, Ben Train wrote:
There's a quote in the Vernon Book of Magic, attributed to Daley I believe, in which he offers this seemingly simple, and singular, piece of advice:
Learn to use a knife and fork.
Now over the years I've done a lot of thinking about it, and what I think it means, to some degree, is that many doors will open for you if you develop basic social skills.
If you want to hang out with one of your idols, you need to be the kind of person they WANT to hang out with. Skill in regards to magic is certainly a plus, but the most important consideration is the 'other' factors. Are you well dressed, or would someone be embarrassed to be seen with you? Have you showered and brushed your teeth? Are you able to carry on a conversation (talking AND listening)? Are you interesting? Funny? Kind? Etc.
Be a good magician, and an even better person, and you'll have no trouble making contact and building relationships with the people you're interested in meeting.
Best,
Ben
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Ben, that is an overall good life lesson, not just magic. Being a civil human being helps just about everywhere.
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EldonFowler
Regular user
110 Posts
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Posted: Aug 2, 2011 2:44pm
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On 2011-06-28 16:04, Justin W wrote:
But first and foremost, they're excellent businessmen.
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I agree,they ARE excellent businessmen... Their "On Demand" selection is good, they collaborate with the best of the best card magicians and they can sell ordinary packs of cards for hundreds of dollars each!
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goatears
Loyal user
214 Posts
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Posted: Aug 3, 2011 4:14pm
Dan and Dave never stop practicing either. They are constantly doing what they do. that practice really shows up in their products.
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Maforen
New user
80 Posts
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Posted: Oct 21, 2011 9:24am
Whats going on with the Dan and Dave site, I cant see it anymore just a countdown, and I also cant access the tricks I bought there..Does anybody know what is going on??
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goatears
Loyal user
214 Posts
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Posted: Oct 21, 2011 10:27am
I assume it's an update. Maybe they'll be opening the "Academy" section or they'll let you download the effects. I checked on the boards at theory11 and they didn't know what was up either. I guess we'll find out in 4 hours!
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