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Hector
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I find it a good idea, and I don't know the creator.

(not talking about the performance...)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDlBujR8g......&list=UL
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This is a suspension not a levitation like informe " Vostinic". This a new improvement in this kind of effect. I like it also.

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It reminds me of a Grant Revolving Suspension (similar to a flying carpet) done up on a table, with a few extra "moves" (proofs) thrown in. The revolve of the whole unit (fellow and table) in methodology brings to mind the Bauers who used to do ahe suspension in a circus ring.

Just my thoughts on it.

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Don't like it.

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Was good until she walked around with him. Spectator may think, "Why didn't she just spin him?"
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I think it has a lot of potential .
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Dahih, I think the same.
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I don't know. What do you think?
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The presentation is awful in my opinion. all that relentless waving of hands and arms. Come on. The moving of the table made it clear that it was linked to him somehow. Also, what's that square for? What is it's logical use supposed to be in the real world? Also went on way way too long.

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I agree with James. Way too much hand movement. She did the effect and should have moved on. The waving gave the impression that something else was going to happen. The square had no purpose as far a spectators are concerned.
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Ok first off, as other said thumbs down on presentation. Stop doing that.
Enough with the bad and onto the good.

The method is great I think. I would build it into a nicer wooden table and use a wooden chair on top. Sit in the chair normally and then slide the chair away, leaving them still in sitting position. Then have them fold their legs up indian style so that they are now levitating. Then I would revolve them and not the table. In my mind, moving the table serves no purpose. Proving it isn't connected to the floating person is running when not being chased. I might would work a hoop or other such device to show no support though.
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This is simply the Spontus concept without the lifting mechanism, thus a suspension. The revolving aspect makes it potentially interesting, though.
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I would take the Spontus any time over this. but of course there is certainly a reasonable price difference - but a true levitation is much better.
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Dear Mr. Reiner "The spontus levi" it's a ripp off from a Mr.Vostinic levitation ,
maybe you don't know this,

I don't know if Vostinic has uploaded the video but anyway you can ask him this directly ,

so ,
yes that spontus it's a ripp off from one of many Vostinic Levi.
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Very interesting idea, I think have big potential ,agree with you Hector and Dahih ...Little change style of performance,and some technical detail...Good idea,very strange why magician not understand?
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Can the square be gotten rid of? Or replaced by something that would make sense? There was some wobbling of his body but that could be handled with better presentation I supposed. The sitting idea would work better I think. At least I can imagine it so. Thanks for sharing.

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This is the Spontus, but you probably already know it anyway:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbGdpsBF6hQ
Both Spontus and Vostinic share the same concealment - and it is a great idea. The Spontus looks a lot better using an assistant and not a spectator.

Angelo Fabri (Markus Magic), I don´t know if there is a ripoff issue or not, I am not familiar with the development of these illusions. Our French colleagues might step in on that one.

The idea Chad suggested above is great, but it would generate a rather big prop, you are basically stuck with a chair on a table.
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On Sep 17, 2011, Rolf Reiner wrote:
This is simply the Spontus concept without the lifting mechanism, thus a suspension. The revolving aspect makes it potentially interesting, though.

It's not like the Spontus! With the Spontus, you can not walk behind the levitation! You have to stay on the same place!
With the Vostinic Levitation, you can walk to the sides and back. This is an older version! The newer one have the cover not in the middle of the table. It's now on the left side as a Stair handrail. And you can putt it away! This is a vieo with the inventor and his wife! more than 65 years old!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwRga7zvHLU
Please don't look to the presentation! Please watch the effect! Thanks.
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Firstly it's not a suspension. A suspension presents itself as the subject being held impossibly by a support. This illusion presents itself as there being no attachment to the subject. The subject is therefore being seen to float, which is a levitation.

Clearly the effect is nothing like the Spontus 360 levitation, the main feature and essence of which is the rising and descending of the subject from a table.

Notwithstanding the presentations I think this illusion has the potential to look really good. I'm amazed I haven't seen it before.

The ability to slightly move the table aside, if done with motivation like the moving of the steps/trestles in the Blaney Ladder Levitation, could add a very nice reinforcing subtlety of the disconnect between it and the subject. As with nearly any action, if done without motivation (which was the case in the two clips in this thread) it has the opposite effect of pointing up the method.

The same goes for any movement of the levitating subject. If this can be motivated it could without doubt add to the effect of a free floating/levitating subject. But the movement has to be given a rationale (and probably used extremely sparingly and very subtly) otherwise it will, again, act to point to the method rather than provide a disconnect from it.

Also, in my opinion, rotating the subject through 360 degrees with the table having to rotate underneath is obviously not a wise thing to do. Does such an action in any way help reinforce the illusion and create more of a disconnect to the method? It seems to me the obvious answer to that isa resounding, no. Certainly it can be done... but that's not a reason to do it.

The first clip, which, when the upper table is collapsed and taken away, has an apparent support in the middle, looks much better to me as it creates a false explanation for what the audience sees and then once this thought is established in the audience's minds this explanation is laid low and seen to be completely wrong. This leaves the audience stranded for an explanation which sets the scene for being able to get them to suspend their disbelief a see the subject as levitating. The idea here is the the audience sees this support and assumes that there is something behind it. The audience is being lead up the garden path with an obvious solution (there's a pole behind that black support) which leaves them mentally stranded up the wrong path when the support is removed.

By contrast, having the support off to one side provides the audience with an strangely weird, but accurate solution! That being; that there's a support seemingly impossibly offset to one side but still holding up the subject. With that thought in the audiences mind as something that's odd but seemingly doable the idea of the actual method, which they've already virtually been pointed to, becomes far far less robust. I personally don't think it's a good idea to provide the audience with the solution to the mystery immediately before showing them the mystery.

So with the 'pseudo support' in the middle, the presentational faux pas's removed, and motivation given to all the small subtleties, I think this could be a very effective, cheap, and pretty portable levitation.
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