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Andre Hagen
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Barrie Richardson combines the "holding the ends" knot beautifully with his "knot that unties itself". It is found in his book Act Two and Volume One of his DVD series, as "The Impossible Knot Routine".

Great combination!

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Pop, You know your stuff! Many a time I have found myself under those situations and ropes saved me each one of those times.

Just to note:

The let go and regrasp doesn't happen fast.....it is done smoothly with cover.

I used to do it at the bar when asked to come out from behind and I had enough people to be on chairs , lieing on the floor and every angle covered (so they thought) and they could not catch it.

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On 2011-12-03 17:27, MrHyde wrote:
I collected a number of strategies, variations and bits of business
into the eBook - Hunter Knot Revisited.

Includes the first full description of- The One Handed Mid Air Knot
and a couple of bits of finesse that make the simple trick even more deceptive

http://www.magiccoach.com


This actually sounds interesting to me for use at street fairs (the use as a crowd building, I already have many sources for the knot itself, and learned a version of the one-handed knot as a kid)

The associated video says you offer money back if you don't like it; although I don't buy things with the intention of returning them, that would be a nice feature if it turns out to not fit my personality.

Knots Off;
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John

The Hunter Knot eBook
is my bestselling product

I've never had anyone ask for a refund

I'm sure you'll learn at least one thing

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I really enjoyed Pop Haydn's posts, above!

Jay Marshall got me "involved" in working hospitality suites, back in the early '70s. I, too, learned how "useful" that G.W. Hunter's "Impossible Knot" was!

A few extra lengths of rope, and, a bit of showmanship, could easily get the whole room INVOLVED!

The move of taking the "set up" rope from the spectator's wrists, and "automatically" tying the knot, was always very effective!

I could borrow an EXPENSIVE ROLEX, put in "on" the rope and do the bit, while pointing out that, if I let go of an end of the rope, the watch would "hit the floor", was very effective! (The watch, of course, would end up IN the knot!)

I spent 39 summers, staffing Boy Scout Camps. Scouts use knots, and are usually familiar with rope and knots. A 4' length of rope was ALWAYS girth hitched to my belt. (G.W. Hunter's Impossible Knot, and a few others, were most useful, at campfires!

I "worked" two National Jamborees for the BSA, in the early '80s, in a "trade show" for "BOYS LIFE MAGAZINE". --I was glad that I had learned "Hunter", as a teenager!
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I think you guys are talking about the bit where you tie a knot in a rope without(?) letting go of the ends. It was taught to me by the local magic shop owner as a kid.

Just a few months ago, I learned that if you really don't let go of the ends, you end up with a slip knot, that works great for pulling a knot off the rope.

Don't know the formal names for these effects, but they work magically.
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Have a rope question. Found these ropes in the bottom of the stored box of magic. I cant remember the routine. Any one know the 3 short rope 1 long rope routine?
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On Mar 10, 2017, Bill Hegbli wrote:
I think you guys are talking about the bit where you tie a knot in a rope without(?) letting go of the ends. It was taught to me by the local magic shop owner as a kid.

Just a few months ago, I learned that if you really don't let go of the ends, you end up with a slip knot, that works great for pulling a knot off the rope.

Don't know the formal names for these effects, but they work magically.


Right Bill! The (very) late G. W. Hunter "invented" it eons ago. I THINK that I got it from Ralph W. Hull's "Fifteen Minutes Witi A Piece Of Rope" (long ago out of print).

BTW, The late Karrell Fox used the "slip knot" bit, that you mentioned, on an auto show tour, back in the '80s. He got on a plane in Detroit with a hunk of rope in his pocket, and THAT'S ALL THAT HE DID FOR THE TRADE SHOW TOUR! His fee was a "bit" over $1000.00 per day, plus per diem!
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On Sep 22, 2011, magicmiketurner wrote:
Several years ago I found a rope trick in a old magic book that was called "The Impossible Knot" Basically the idea was that a knot could not be tied into a rope without letting go of one hand(which of course is exactly what you do so quickly that no one notices) the book showed how you loop the rope...slide it off one hand etc......As the law goes...if you don't use you lose...and I have. I know the basics of hou you loop it around one hand etc....but can't remember from there....I was wondering if anyone has ever heard of this trick and in what book I might find it.....very simple trick(in spite of the fact that I've forgotten it} but a good trick nonetheless.

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magicmiketurner


MIKE...I just read your post, and, I would like to make a comment!

IT AINT THE SPEED!!! It's a very subtle use of a "move". It should be done SLOWLY, VERY SLOWLY!!! (Forget about "the hand is quicker than the eye".)

Someday, if I have a free moment, I'll write up a few notes on Hunter's Knot.
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Just a few months ago, I learned that if you really don't let go of the ends, you end up with a slip knot, that works great for pulling a knot off the rope.



Is there a video of this trick? Do not let go of the ends at all to tie a blind knot, did I understand correctly that this can be combined with this trick?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEgjp6LPPAY
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On Mar 10, 2017, Dick Oslund wrote:

The move of taking the "set up" rope from the spectator's wrists, and "automatically" tying the knot, was always very effective!

I could borrow an EXPENSIVE ROLEX, put in "on" the rope and do the bit, while pointing out that, if I let go of an end of the rope, the watch would "hit the floor", was very effective! (The watch, of course, would end up IN the knot!)


Thank you! The idea with the clock is very amazing, I worked today and it's very impressive to the audience. Mr.Dick Oslund, could you share your thoughts on how best to build a Trick script. How many times to repeat the trick. I start with the theme: do as I do.
Thank you for clarifying that the main phase of the trick is to do slowly and forget about the speed.
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I often see a photo of David Copperfield performing this trick, but not once he was not shot on video.
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On Mar 10, 2017, Bill Hegbli wrote:
Just a few months ago, I learned that if you really don't let go of the ends, you end up with a slip knot, that works great for pulling a knot off the rope.



Is there a video of this trick? Do not let go of the ends at all to tie a blind knot, did I understand correctly that this can be combined with this trick?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEgjp6LPPAY



Yes, that is correct, just let the loop over the right hand fall from the wrist, cover the knot with your dominate hand, and do the usual vanishing knot bit.
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On May 7, 2017, Eugene Chekhov wrote:
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On Mar 10, 2017, Dick Oslund wrote:

The move of taking the "set up" rope from the spectator's wrists, and "automatically" tying the knot, was always very effective!

I could borrow an EXPENSIVE ROLEX, put in "on" the rope and do the bit, while pointing out that, if I let go of an end of the rope, the watch would "hit the floor", was very effective! (The watch, of course, would end up IN the knot!)


Thank you! The idea with the clock is very amazing, I worked today and it's very impressive to the audience. Mr.Dick Oslund, could you share your thoughts on how best to build a Trick script. How many times to repeat the trick. I start with the theme: do as I do.
Thank you for clarifying that the main phase of the trick is to do slowly and forget about the speed.
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I often see a photo of David Copperfield performing this trick, but not once he was not shot on video.


Eugene: I'm extremely busy this week. I'll TRY to get back to you via PM in a week or so. (We really should not discuss techniques in this forum.)

Rope material, which so often depends on topology, is difficult to write about. Perhaps the BIG challenge is COMMUNICATIONS! For example, few magicians know the difference between a "loop" and, a "bight"!

About 20 plus years ago, the late Karrell Fox used the "Impossible Knot" for his bookings on the annual AUTO SHOWS in the USA.
He left home with a bit of rope, a trifle more than one meter long. He did the Impossible with the move we are discussing, for the entire tour. At the time, trade shows were paying about $1,000 per day, plus hotel, meals, and first class plane fare.
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THANKS TO YOU
- I WILL STILL WAITING FOR YOUR MESSAGE. Smile
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Thank you my friends (Pop Haydn,Bill Hegbli,Dick Oslund) Smile are very valuable thoughts! I will definitely use it!
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