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Jan Walla Loyal user Before you disappear I surround you with 255 Posts |
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On 2011-10-03 19:47, MagicalMotivator wrote: I was thinking about that as well and looking at those horrendous prices...$2000 for a baby raven and $1500 for a crow...It might very well be an option to consider. I have to contact someone who has raised one and see what their usual behaviour pattern is. This crow doesn't seem aggresiv at all: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s87RV8crR......ec_index All I need the bird to do is lay still in the baggy and when he is tossed fly to point B over audience to mid mezzanine. Are those dyes readily available? Are they safe for the bird? Oh and who says or where is it written that you can't mix certain magic with mentalism?
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IDOTRIX Elite user Darien,il 467 Posts |
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MagicalMotivator Veteran user 310 Posts |
Quick note - just came back from walking our dog and I came across two really grey mourning doves - very, very dark grey, almost black - looked really quite eerie.
Regarding dying doves, there are some dove magic books out there that cover this. I know Andy Aymx carries dove dying products (but I did not see black) http://www.andyamyx.com/store/accessories.html - you may want to contact him. MM |
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windrunner New user 86 Posts |
MagicalMOtivator, as read through the thread I was thinking dying all the way. I have seen doves many colors to match a silks. Also, if you want a larger bird use a pidgin. It would look more like a crow or a raven.
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Jan Walla Loyal user Before you disappear I surround you with 255 Posts |
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On 2011-10-05 09:14, windrunner wrote: Interesting. Thanks for all the tips. I was even thinking to attach a black, fake crows beak to the dove. It will only be for a while and should be OK.
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MagicalMotivator Veteran user 310 Posts |
I would NOT attach a fake crows beak to the dove. I really believe that would be cruel and unwise.
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Alexo Regular user Long Island, NY 112 Posts |
The fake beak notwithstanding. Do you want the bird to fly back or just fly over the audience. If he doesn't fly back you're gonna hear the same thing that was said to James Dimmare when he had the birds just fly over,
"I'd hire you back if you trained the bird to fly back to you instead of having him poop allover my customers" |
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Lou Hilario Inner circle 2235 Posts |
I used to produce a Mynah.. It went well. But you have to train it to jump from one hand to the other first and vice versa. I discontinued it for the reason that I hate that watery poop splashing all over the floor and me.
If you want a bird that looks bizarre, get a Black Palm Cockatoo, they are very intelligent, that's if you can afford them. I wanted to have one a long time ago but I felt that was too much just for my shows.
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Daniel Kane New user Sweden 36 Posts |
Lou: If he can not afford a Raven then he can hardly afford a Black Palm Cockatoo.
Also I would like to add that I don´t think you understand the amount of training that you would have to put into this. This is not a dove, they are both birds but they are very very different in their mindset. Look at this as a macaw or cockatoo, these birds have to be with you almost all the time unless you have two. I socialise with my blue and gold while I do other things. I spend maybe between 6-10 hours with it per day, while I practice magic etc. You also have to know the right techniques to train them, or else you will get an abnoxious and aggressive bird. I spent rougly 2 years, if not more before I got my blue and gold. Learned techniques on free flying, how to train them in every day life etc. My approach to this changed a lot during the process, in the end I got my blue and gold cause I first and foremost wanted it as a pet. Not because I wanted it for a magic effect. I think that is the right approach, since you are going to spend so much time with it. Call Daniel Walthers and ask as many questions as possible, and also read up on training techniques. Ask him about the differences between having a bird like this and a macaw parrot for instance, the time and commitment they require. I think the idéa about using a pidgeon or a dove is better in many ways. Good luck! |
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Spellbinder Inner circle The Holy City of East Orange, NJ 6438 Posts |
Now that we've explored all this, what is really wanted is a bizarre magic effect involving a raven, and we won't take nevermore for an answer. The simple and bizarre answer is to use a stuffed raven in a cage. You can get some nice realistic crows at arts and crafts stores these days, especially as Halloween decorations. The difference between a raven and a crow is much less than the difference between a raven and a writing desk, so you should have no difficulty passing off the bird in a cage as a raven. The bizarre magic is this: you cover up the cage from time to time, and everytime you hear a rustling noise from the cage, or see some movement in the cloth cover, you remove it and the bird is in a new position each time - still stuffed, but just posed differently. Now that's bizarre enough to give one a slight chill in the seance room. If you have a need to get the black gloves into the act, remove the black gloves and toss them at the covered cage, whereupon they vanish in mid flight. Now uncover the cage and inside, instead of the raven, are black gloves twisted and molded to appear to be a raven. When you release the gloves and put them back on, there is a bird call from high up, and the guests turn in time to see the raven perched on the top of an open window just before it vanishes into the night. All for the cost of a couple of fake ravens, some black thread, and a lot of work and planning. http://www.christmasinprescott.com/210837.html
Professor Spellbinder
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joderijck New user Belgium 14 Posts |
I don't know about the shipping but here in Europe you'll get a hand fed raven for 450euro. Its a very smart bird, great for training. You can train him to jump out of your jacket, misdirection and closing/opening his compartment is your magical homework I'm very interested if you would do it what your experiences are, I want to buy one on day if it fits in a new show.
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Dreadnought Special user Athens, Georgia 836 Posts |
My partner does bird magic. He has a pair of crows he used to use, now they are just exotic pets. I thought of the routine the original poster did, walk out on stage and produce one crow then produce another, hand them to an assistant then move into the next effect.
I was told, as has been said here, crows and ravens, even with years of training are extremely aggressive and highly unpredictable. They are an extremely dominate animal and will exert and exercise their perceived dominance over their handler. They are extremely intelligent and very adept problem solvers and will get out of their own cages, harnesses, boxes et al. Their talons are extremely sharp and they will draw blood even without meaning too. Their maintenance is extremely expensive as they require large cages, almost an aviary, small cooped up places are not for them and if cooped up in said small places they will become extremely aggressive. On the interesting side, crows are very vocal. If you get them young enough, they can have their tongue snipped in such a way that will allow them to vocalize phrases and words taught to them. Peace and Godspeed.
Peace
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Gordon Special user Chicago 692 Posts |
I am skeptical that a dove could be dyed black. I think the closest you'd get is gray. And then the audience is likely to think "what did he do to that poor bird?".
The responses here aren't trying to kill you dream, there are very good reasons people are trying to steer you in other directions. They're right. One point that I didn't see mentioned is that it is illegal to keep American crows and ravens as pets without a federal permit. |
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lotusFox77 New user 11 Posts |
You can use crows and ravens? WoW!
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Thatoldblackmagic New user 67 Posts |
Ravens are huge in comparison to doves !you may be better off getting a domestic crow and passing it off as a raven by using a larger custom dove B**, (I could easily make you one ) or go to a seamstress and get a pair of gloves and the matching gimmick in the same fabric , I have even seen men buying large size long ladies evening gloves and hemming them short and with the remaining fabric creating the gimmick. Hope this helps.
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