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Shawn Farquhar
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TheMagicalMan, here's the link to all the various Walking Knots available from Pavel's company. http://www.pavelmagic.com/us/mainhome.ph......ing_knot

I am surprised to read that folks in the US are blocked on the YouTube video. I suspect you are using a mobile device to view. Try using a laptop. Most music with copyright is blocked on mobile devices.

MLDupree, I have finally found a wonderful craftsman who can make the cups in Aluminum and another who can make it in wood too! I will be releasing a limited number of them as soon as they can find time to produce the cups.

Finally, here's a quote from Pavel's own website: "Over 3000 magicians, who have purchased the Super Walking Knot worldwide since 1982, cannot be wrong!"

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On 2013-12-03 12:02, TheMagicalMan wrote:
Sorry if I mentioned DVD, I didn't know there has to be gimmicks with it. Can anyone please guide me to where I may buy this, a good, tried-out before version with a good price? I want to do the version that cuts at 3 places since I'm planning to do a stage play patter type of presentation and I see this illusion perfect for me. Thanks.


Here is Pavel's website ran by his relatives. Notice their are now several versions available at different price ranges. I did a search for you and only found the Super available on eBay and at a store in Canada. Most dealers over the years have not carried this product because of the high cost.

As far as "tried-out before version", not many will sell the one's they own. You can post your request in the "Let's Make A Deal" section of the Café and see if anyone responds.
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Shawn, thank you very much for the link, but is there any information about the quality of the items, the DVD, or so ?! Is this one of the best versions available at a decent price or so ?!

Bill Thank you very much for your effort and time. What I meant by the 'tried out version' was....is there a version sold by a particular website now that people have tried about, the item has positive reviews, and available. But I'm guessing Pavel's Magic seems like a nice version, thanks Smile .
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TheMagicalMan, Pavel's is the best there is in the world. No doubt in my mind. I am not a fan of the Junior version as it is very limiting. Yes the cost is expensive but it is also a solid four minutes in my show and worth every penny I spent. In fact I own two of the ropes, just in case I ever need a spare. I have seen an inferior knock off that is being sold and it's quality and price were extremely low. I would never trust the knock off to work well in front of a paying audience.

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I have seen another, where you use two spectators and one of them helps you with an end switch.


If I understand the comment, a method like this was presented in Harlan Live, his tightrope walker routine. I found the effect to be startling (since it uses regular rope, you move the knot around, then untie it, and the spectators are left holding the 2 different lengths of rope)

Earlier this year, Harlan had "Harlan Live" (his standup routine), available on his website as a download for $5! Check it out.

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John, he may have also been speaking of Jim Steinmeyer's version.
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Actually, it almost sounds like the "Not Walking Knot" by Michael J. Fitsch
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I'm a little late to this thread, I stumbled upon the Not walking Knot method on my own while trying to come up with a way of doing walking knot. It is great, but It has its limitations that Pavel's solves. I was wondering if anyone could tell me if it would be ok to have two audience members holding each end of Pavel's simplified rope?
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On Dec 26, 2014, sivartn wrote:
I'm a little late to this thread, I stumbled upon the Not walking Knot method on my own while trying to come up with a way of doing walking knot. It is great, but It has its limitations that Pavel's solves. I was wondering if anyone could tell me if it would be ok to have two audience members holding each end of Pavel's simplified rope?


Go back and read the second post in this forum by David Charvet. I believe the answers your question and it can be applied to the version you mentioned.

The emphasis in your question is on the word "Hold", you have to convey this to your audience assistants with good spectator management. When I have two ladies or children hold a 25 foot silk streamer, they always get the urge to play 'tug of war' with the expensive silk streamer. So of course, this must be commented on before they get the great idea themselves.

This you have to control with your explicit instructions on how to hold the rope. Controlling people during a show only comes with thought and awareness of things the may go wrong and working out solutions. This only comes from experience, but forethought will help prevent embarrassment for you.
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On Dec 2, 2013, Shawn Farquhar wrote:
...as I just went to see and my video http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=MEl-6btWmTM has 66 comments and there are three mentions of the word "magnet" and two of them are by me! WTF are you talking about? In the past four weeks I have presented the routine on stage in several countries and on the ships of Disney Cruise line and it is one of the three most talked about effects in the show. The surprising thing to you may be that it is not talk about "how I did the effect".. but how it made them feel.

Please direct me to where you found this video where the "15 comments in the first dozen" (interesting math by the way) mention magnets? If not please don't post false information, we're all here to learn and share I think.

-shawn

p.s. Fiber Optics and the Sandsational routine are also wonderful as is Francis Tabary's ... they are just different and if tou feel you need to hand out everything then these may be a better choice.


Thanks Shawn, the presentation was very good. This is a good lesson on how to solve the problem I asked about a few years ago. I had many people say that the rope needed to be looser, but your video shows how loose. It's practically to the floor. I guess that's the only way you can do it without the problems I mentioned before. I don't like it that way as I guess I was thinking of Doug Henning/Paul Curry Walking Knot, but at least your way is workable.

I still have the original instructions to the Paul Curry trick, but since I don't work with assistants it is not practical for me.

I will now rethink about doing this again since I saw your video Shawn. I have a routine that worked well with the audience I performed for, but it kept coming undone. The audience was baffled by that too, but I did not want the rope coming apart again. Now I can go back to my original idea thanks to Shawn's video.
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You can find Paul Curry's version in his book Worlds Beyond.
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I would not wory too much about handing every trick out for inspection. Most people assume all tricks are done by magnets/smoke/mirrors ha ha (not really, but you know...) If you give them a good enough show they don't seem to ask to see the props.

I keep wanting to buy this rope but just cannot justify the expense, as a hobbyist. I have seen them here in the Philippines for $20. But I know that would not be worth buying! So it is better to do without it ofr now. Lots of Chinese magic for sale here...
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Is Michael J Fitch's "Not Walking Knot" DVD available from any dealer in the USA or Canada?
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Is Michael J Fitch's "Not Walking Knot" DVD available from any dealer in the USA or Canada?


I would be interested too...thanks.

I am looking for Pavel's Walking Knot and Krazy Knot...thanks.
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I would not wory too much about handing every trick out for inspection. Most people assume all tricks are done by magnets/smoke/mirrors ha ha (not really, but you know...) If you give them a good enough show they don't seem to ask to see the props.

I keep wanting to buy this rope but just cannot justify the expense, as a hobbyist. I have seen them here in the Philippines for $20. But I know that would not be worth buying! So it is better to do without it ofr now. Lots of Chinese magic for sale here...


The price is what it is, not because they do not want you to buy it, it is because of the high quality of assembly that goes into making it. If you worked for many hours to manufacturer something, you think they should sell it at a loss, and not be paid for their work.

As you say, you are only a hobbyist, then this trick is not for you. Even though it is simple construction that takes hours to make, it is not easily performed by a hobbyist. And if you are still at the stage where people are asking you to see all your props, then this is definitely not for you.

I cannot advise you whether to buy Chines Magic or not, my experience is that most of it is inferior, but if you can't justify even $20, then stick to magic found in books and magazines.

Did you know there is a free monthly magazine called, Vanish that describes a lot of tricks for free each month, plus stories, and how to perform, etc. Look it up, it is free to download. You will have enough card tricks to keep you busy.
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It seems that Vanish Apple friendly. I have a PC and not a MAC and I am having trouble downloading this. I don't want to use it on a smart phone or iPad. I like to do things on my desktop computer. It says free, but then they say you have to pay. I don't think they know what free means.
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Mtpascoe, they have several version or formats, I think you chose the wrong click button or issue. On the welcome page, click on the words "Click here to download free". On the next page, just click on the button "Download". It will start downloading and a message bar at the bottom of IE will ask you to open or save. Click save, or right click and chose Save As, and then move it to the desktop or any folder you desire.

I use Windows 7 and have been downloading it since the beginning. You can only download the current month's magazine. All others have to be purchased. So every two months or every other month you have to download your copy.

Here is the download page for desktops, just click on the word download with the orange arrow. Currently this is number 19, April/May 2015 Vanish Magazine.

https://www.hightail.com/download/UlRReUNFMVhsMHdpR01UQw
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Thank you Bill, that worked. I tried to start from the beginning and download the first issue, but as you said, you can only download the current issue.
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One last note as to the price of Pavel's effect; I did build one, partially because of cost and because I wanted a specific color. If I ever need to replace it, I will buy one! Hours and hours of work!
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On Apr 14, 2015, Bill Hegbli wrote:
..... I cannot advise you whether to buy Chines Magic or not, my experience is that most of it is inferior, but if you can't justify even $20, then stick to magic found in books and magazines.

Did you know there is a free monthly magazine called, Vanish that describes a lot of tricks for free each month, plus stories, and how to perform, etc. Look it up, it is free to download. You will have enough card tricks to keep you busy.


I can easily justify $20 - but I know a $20 walking knot would not be worth buying ha ha. But I will be checking out the Vanish magazine. Smile
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