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unclesamayen
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Hello everyone,
I'm new in illusion and I'm really frustrated after today's show.
After watching the video, I found myself bad position, bad pose, bad walking, I don't look like an illusionist just a hobbist.
I've been studying in magic for 8 years now but mostly in parlour or close-up venue.
Where can I learn the move, pose or showmanship as a illusionist?
Can you introduce me some video on youtube or who to check out?
Let me know how to start doing an illusion.
Thank you very much.
YuYen
Comedy, Mental, Busking.
Performing magic for the blinds.
http://youtu.be/nW3O0nucQUI
Busking in Mong Kok
http://youtu.be/WqohXqTxRVU
btedeski
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Take a look at the DVD set "Getting your act together" By Joanie Spina

http://www.thecuckoosnest.com/zencart/ze......_id=3318

Some of the subjects addressed:

Selecting the material that is best for you
Evaluating your strengths and talents
Directing focus
Structuring a routine
Creating striking and memorable pictures
Building a "vocabulary" of moves
Movement as dialogue
Utilizing props in the choreography
Movement exercises
Applause cues
Smooth transitions
Tips for assistants
Selecting the appropriate music
And much more!
Billy The Clown
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Bill Tedeski
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Sam Sandler
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Yes her DVD is great.

I would also suggest maybe looking into a local community college and taking an acting class or stage presentation class.

there is a lot more to performing an illusion then just knowing how it works. matter of fact that is the least important part.
every action must have a reason.

good luck

sam
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The Drake
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On 2011-12-23 08:33, unclesamayen wrote:
Hello everyone,
I'm new in illusion and I'm really frustrated after today's show.
After watching the video, I found myself bad position, bad pose, bad walking, I don't look like an illusionist just a hobbist.
I've been studying in magic for 8 years now but mostly in parlour or close-up venue.
Where can I learn the move, pose or showmanship as a illusionist?
Can you introduce me some video on youtube or who to check out?
Let me know how to start doing an illusion.
Thank you very much.
YuYen


You are already on the right path. The very fact that you recognize your weaknesses and don't think you are the greatest illusionist ever from the very beginning says a lot.

Good Luck,

Tim
Leland
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Videotaping your act is a huge step.

I think most of us don’t want to do it because we have to hire someone to do it for us. I started by having a camera on a tri pod, it stunk! I couldn’t see what I wanted to look at and I wasn’t able to get good angles. So I did the next best thing and I spent some money and hired a high school kid that had decent equipment and he did a bang up job.

What a difference! I was able to see more. He took shots from different angles that helped me better understand what I needed to improve on. Taping your act is a must if you want to improve.

The next step is to have someone look at your video so that they can comment on what you can’t or don’t want to see. It hurt to have someone tear apart my act and then tell what I was doing wrong but in the end I was able to work on improving my show.

Have someone you know review your video, or better yet post a link to it and we can offer suggestions.
Life of Magic!
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Something that has worked for me is getting envolved in community theater, both acting and backstage.

On hand envolvment in the productions taught me a lot including blocking, sound set up/voice projection, getting into and out of a scene, costuming, and many other small things that go into a production.

Perhaps a local college has theater workshop.

Pete
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The advice so far has been great. I'd add that you should get a copy of Henning Nelms' Magic And Showmanship. http://www.amazon.com/Magic-Showmanship-......86410870 It covers movement, posture, positioning and other concepts important to performers.

Watch how the illusionists that you admire present their illusions. Analyze and theorize as to why things work, or don't work, for the performer. Try to develop a good eye for what works.
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You have made the first and most important step:
looking critical at yourself !
The next question you have to ask yourself: Am I an illusionist ??
Being a good entertainer at the table or in a small venue, does not
make you a good illusionist.
The next thing you should have to do is: DANCE.
Dancing (classic) lessons will give you the right attitude.
If that's not working for you (in 1 or 2 years) than stop,
because body movement is the crux in illusion performing.
unclesamayen
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Hi everyone,
Thank you very much for your kindness to help me.
I'm so happy to receive many good advices on the Caf�.
I think I have to learn dance, acting, theater, even the light or music.
An illusion is way different than a parlour show.
It's more like a drama, so you have to act.
I'll try to learn more.

Like you said above, I need someone to review my video and give me some advices.

Here is the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ9AG26jjX8
It's my first time doing an illusion, so sad, what a bad performance.
I'm the man in black jacket, we are a team of 3 people.

I know it's so bad, so bad, and I wanna be good!
Could you provide me some advices to help me improve my performance?
I'll really appreciate if you could suggest me some.
Thank you very much.

YuYen
Comedy, Mental, Busking.
Performing magic for the blinds.
http://youtu.be/nW3O0nucQUI
Busking in Mong Kok
http://youtu.be/WqohXqTxRVU
Pete Biro
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Can't see your video as it is "private."
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
unclesamayen
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Hello Pete,
Sorry I forgot to change the setting, now is unlisted video.
Thank you very much.
YuYen
Comedy, Mental, Busking.
Performing magic for the blinds.
http://youtu.be/nW3O0nucQUI
Busking in Mong Kok
http://youtu.be/WqohXqTxRVU
Drosselmeyer
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Hi YuYen,
Really enjoyed the video of your act. The effect is actually very good. My advice? Slow down ... make everything much much bigger! Other than that...just fine tune your "story". You have obviously "story boarded" your routine and this is very good to do. I see the various tableau you planned. Just "hit" them and hold for a second or two before moving onward with the story. . ...other specific feedback follows...
frankly, I am not liking the opening and the crossed wands. Instead, focus on the girl. simply produce the wands non-chalantly when you need them and then vanish them when no longer needed. Or drop the wands entirely because they somewhat detract. Could you simply be sitting in the chairs hanging out or chatting when your assistant happens to walk by? then you could notice her, jump to your feet, engage in a greeting, and then proceed to the illusion. after she is entranced and levitated, then turn to audience, produce wands and use the wands to probe and illustrate the "space" around the levitation. Or just use another prop already on stage to show the space. Remember, you are telling a short story and/or offering a small fantasy. so spend the time to tell a story. It takes time to fall under a spell and to recover from same. So take the time to put your assistant "under" and to "bring her out" of the trance.
Regards,

--Drosselmeyer
john wills
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Hi YuYen,
I agree with Drosselmeyer.
He is showing you the right way into the story.
But I missed one important thing:
If it is technically possible start NOT with the
board on the chair.
From the audience standpoint these are two
normally chairs to sit on.
I tell you this, because it is an other way of thinking.
Try to understand how the spectator is looking at you !
Drosselmeyer
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Yes! John's advice is very good. Can you include stacking the board onto the chairs into the plot? You have the device already set up and therefore are missing out on building quite a bit of drama and makimg the illusion more believable. Perhaps the girl is an Art student carrying a portfolio case with her? The portfolio case becomes the board that you stack on the chairs. Just one option / thought.
Regards,

--Drosselmeyer
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I agree with those who said to buy Joanie Spina's DVD's. They have done wonders for me and my show!
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