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Terry Owens
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I've switched to the bill ending up in a sealed bag of potato chips...I'm getting an even better reaction than in the fruit
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Mac - The original edition (500 copies) of the Lemon Book was hardbound. Second edition was softbound.
The new edition will be hardbound.
Thanks for asking.
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In my steampunk routine, the Teleportation-Device, I finish the Bill to Lemon with Bill to Egg. The bill is torn, burnt around the edges, signed and covered with lemon juice and egg:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usedWvB5ibc

Without animals in the act, the things that work best to make things look big are: Having spectator's on stage, using fire, using liquid, using long rope, big scarves and other items that move in a wiggly way and draw the eye.

I don't use animals, so I work hard to fill the stage with these sorts of things.

I think the complete destruction and and desecration of the bill is important to the impact and enjoyment of the routine.
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On 2012-01-19 20:05, Pop Haydn wrote:


I think the complete destruction and and desecration of the bill is important to the impact and enjoyment of the routine.


Interesting perspective on this. The meat of any borrowed object routine is the perceived destruction of it. That's why the use of borrowed rings, watches, hats, etc. became so popular long ago. In almost every case, there was comedy derived from some apparent demise of the item. Eggs were broken in hats, and watches were smashed to bits. Compared to the actual magic that happens later, this is definitely the primary point of interest.

Of course in most routines, the apparent destruction is resolved. Personal and irreplaceable items would have to be. But in the case of a bill, this is different. Yes, it is property, but not in the same way. It is easily replaceable, even if returned to the owner dripping with lemon juice, or sealed in an entire roll of Scotch tape. The process is worth the inconvenience. To assume that the magic of where the bill ends up is the main point is making a mistake, I think. If the lemon juice becomes an inconvenience, then the main point has been lost.

I like your thinking, Whit.
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Pop Haydn
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Thanks, Michael. I think it is important to square the spectator by asking for a bill that can be "dedicated to science"--setting up that this is for a sacrifice to the gods of science, and he would not be getting it back unharmed. I think the egg is funnier and stronger because it is messier. But it is also the fact that an egg can not have been prior prepared, which is the solution to the lemon. The two methods cancel each other out. The "choice" element is also increased, so that the spectator has a dozen free choices instead of fifty-fifty as in the lemon--one couldn't easily have a dozen eggs prepared with dollars that match the corner and serial number. The final bill arrives with evidence that it has been through all the required trials--burnt, signed, torn, and covered with both lemon juice and egg, and the missing corner matches that of the borrowed bill. I think the canceling of methods and the knotched up conditions (the wet bill is put directly into the device, with no napkin cover, and visibly burns into nothing) create sufficient motivation for the repetition, but it is the anticipation of a big mess with eggs involved that gives it most of its entertainment value.
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I use an orange in a pirate themed routine. It ties in to warm weather climate. After producing the dollar, I throw it up in the air, catch it in my mouth, to produce a money mouth coil.
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On 2012-01-12 15:27, Jeff77 wrote:
The method of loading the lemon I use is from Doc Eason. I take my time before the revel so I know the bill is getting damp. This is one of my most favorite routines and it's a real convincer to people with the visual of the bill on the lemon, the juice on the bill and the smell!


I agree with Jeff-I also use the Doc Eason Method-Have done
in Hundreds of corporate shows & functions-

I find the Bill which is Plastic here is semi wet but I hand a tissue after the signature reveal
and has never been a problem-the effect is a show stopper to lay audiences....
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On 2012-01-08 01:28, wmhegbli wrote:
I was considering changing the way the bill is handled early in the routine. What are your opinions if the bill is folded in eighths, then placed under a handkerchief, and handed to the assisting spectator. Then snapped from his fingers to show that the bill has vanished.

When the lemon is cut open to reveal the bill sticking up from the center of the Lemon, only it is in a rolled-up state.

Secondly, would it be okay to have the bill wrapped in Saran Wrap when revealed in the Lemon, so the bill is not soaked with lemon juice, if the bill was not wrapped in Saran Wrap when it was placed in the handkerchief.


Example: Mike Ammar performs his Bill in Peanut, vanishing a bill folded in eighths in a handkerchief, but when he reveals the bill in a Peanut it is folded to fit in a peanut shell.

Interested in your thoughts on this small discrepancy.


I fold my bill in eighths when loading in the lemon (ala: Mark Wilson). I also use the hanky vanish, great routine! I hope I helped you a little anyway Smile
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I seem to remember that the bill in lemon was originally performed so that the bill would be kept as a tip, since the lender didn't want a soggy bill. I'd rather make the bill go to a small liquor bottle, a balloon or inside of a dinner roll.
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Wow, This is a really good post/question. I think its great that we analyze such things and are aware of such descrepancies. I agree with pretty much everything everyone has said and have had just about the same expereience with people smelling it and not commenting on the discrepancy. The only thing I could add, is I think it's polite to offer a clean, whole 20. Not sure if this was already mentioned. I think I read this in carneycopia. Also, I use this routine on the street and usually get the soggy torn 20 as a tip, as long as the loaner is not a child. I always pray for an adult to offer the 20 as oppose to a child.

"And I woulda had your 20, if it weren't for you medding kids"

The bill to lemon questions posed by Giobbi in Secret Agenda (June 25) is amazing food for thought. Definitely check it out!
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I would be willing to bet any money no spectator has EVER said "Hang on, the bill is rolled up now, and earlier the dude only folded it into 1/8ths"

One point over looked thus far, is why fold it up?

I do it as part of a "drunk test" routine at comedy clubs and patter about how small things are hard to find when you are drunk. Keyholes, hours you spend trying to get the key in when you're drunk.

Then I take the bill, fold it in half, "can you still see it", half again, half again "how about now?", load it into the thumb tip and it has (obviously) vanished because they are so drunk and it is so small.
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You're becoming quite popular on the forums Damian. I have seen a video of your routine, it is clearly six minutes of solid laughs. Job well done I say.
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On 2012-02-20 20:28, Mac_Stone wrote:
You're becoming quite popular on the forums Damian. I have seen a video of your routine, it is clearly six minutes of solid laughs. Job well done I say.


Thanks man!
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On 2012-01-08 01:28, wmhegbli wrote:
I was considering changing the way the bill is handled early in the routine. What are your opinions if the bill is folded in eighths, then placed under a handkerchief


I do not like that idea at all. What's the motivation for putting it under a handkerchief. If there's no legitimate reason, do not do it.
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On 2012-01-08 01:28, wmhegbli wrote:
I was considering changing the way the bill is handled early in the routine. What are your opinions if the bill is folded in eighths, then placed under a handkerchief


I do not like that idea at all. What's the motivation for putting it under a handkerchief. If there's no legitimate reason, do not do it.


As with the traditional magic tricks using a handkerchief is classic in magic. I will have to explain, the reasons are to isolate the bill from any tampering. Then hand the hanky to the spectator to hold the bill through. It also draws mystery as to what will come nest. Finally, everyone knows that magic usually happens in darkeness.

Look at the popular Dean's Box. Really no need to put anything in a box. Why?
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I don't agree. There are so many simple ways where no handkerchief is needed. I think you're dulling down the magic using a hank and adding explanations where there might not be one.

Basically... you're doing something. At that point, who cares what it is. The magic is lost.

It might be old school but that doesn't mean it's appropriate.
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Jarrow, who is acknowledged as the creator of the Lemon trick (circa 1900), borrowed 3 bills and they were wrapped in a handkerchief which was held by a spectator. That's where the handkerchief idea came from. The handkerchief does add another "beat" to the routine.
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Yes but the handkerchief comes from a different era as well. Give the people what they want, use flash bills.
Bill Hegbli
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On 2012-03-07 20:26, Mac_Stone wrote:
Yes but the handkerchief comes from a different era as well. Give the people what they want, use flash bills.


Flash bills is so 20 century, very old hat type of props, and against the law in the 21st Century.
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Pop Haydn
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Where are Flash Bills illegal?
Terry Owens
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Good question Pop...it's not illegal that I'm aware of in my town.
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Depends on the venue. A couple of years ago a competitor (MAES) in the stage competition was disqualified because he was using flash sheets (large, typing paper size sheets of flash paper) in his sword basket routine. All competitors were told prior to the competition that fire would not be allowed per the hotel.

That same year at Funarama one popular act had to change his entire act at the last minute because the venue would not allow fire including flash paper. He sort of faked his way through an act that turned out to be gut busting funny!

Since the "Great White" debacle many of the pubs and small venues I play warn me that there will be no fire effects. I lost a gig because I burned a bill in an envelope for my bill to lemon routine. The management paid me for the night and told me not to come back. I was booked for four shows total. Maybe it had nothing to do with the fire. Maybe I just stunk!
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Well, you certainly shouldn't do it without clearance from the venue and the local fire-marshall. I have rarely had a problem when sufficient notice was given.

Flashpaper is looked on more favorably when it is contained, and not thrown or dropped. Also, the performer needs to have a fire-extiguisher or bucket of sand and a damp cloth handy.

One place I haven't been able to use flashpaper any more is on the ships.
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