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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
I was considering changing the way the bill is handled early in the routine. What are your opinions if the bill is folded in eighths, then placed under a handkerchief, and handed to the assisting spectator. Then snapped from his fingers to show that the bill has vanished.
When the lemon is cut open to reveal the bill sticking up from the center of the Lemon, only it is in a rolled-up state. Secondly, would it be okay to have the bill wrapped in Saran Wrap when revealed in the Lemon, so the bill is not soaked with lemon juice, if the bill was not wrapped in Saran Wrap when it was placed in the handkerchief. Example: Mike Ammar performs his Bill in Peanut, vanishing a bill folded in eighths in a handkerchief, but when he reveals the bill in a Peanut it is folded to fit in a peanut shell. Interested in your thoughts on this small discrepancy. |
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Payne Inner circle Seattle 4571 Posts |
I don't really see a discrepancy in having the bill appear in the lemon in a rolled up state. There are versions out there that allow for you to find the bill folded up in the lemon in case it bothers you that much.
I don't really see any reason to wrap the bill in Saran Wrap. It seems to me that it would be something of a nuisance to remove from the bill and really removes the organic nature of finding a rolled and juice soaked bill in the center of the lemon. In my mind it makes it look more unnatural and more like it was planted in the lemon than magically arriving there of it's own accord. If you're concerned about not wanting to return a soaking wet bill to the spectator. Just offer to replace the bill with a one of your own at the conclusion of the trick. This last year in my library program I ended with a Steampunk version of Whit Haden's Deportation device. In this effect the bill gets torn, burned, signed and soaked in both lemon juice and raw egg. The bill is in a pretty sorry state when it is returned to the original lender. I concluded the effect by telling the spectator that they may have heard that it is illegal to tear, burn, mark or in any other way tamper with a piece of currency. I then inform them that this is not true at all. It is their bill and they can do anything they want to to it. It is however illegal to spend after it has been defaced. So in order to make it up to them I give them a new bill along with a business card. I tell them to take their old bill and frame it with my business card and to keep it as a family heirloom in remembrance of the day that had their dollar deported by Master Payne.
"America's Foremost Satirical Magician" -- Jeff McBride.
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Harry Murphy Inner circle Maryland 5444 Posts |
In close to 50 years of performing the Bill to Lemon I doubt if anyone has noticed that I fold the bill into eights (sometime only quarters) and it is found in the lemon rolled.
I have used Rudy Hunters' technique of having the bill found folded in quarters/eights inside the lemon from time to time (more often when I'm doing the impromptu version with all borrowed objects). The discrepancy is only in the minds of a magician. it is not something noticed by spectators. I also spent some time using Gismer's technique for multiple signed bills to lemon where they are all wrapped in Saran Wrap (from his booklet "Limey"). However, after using it, I found that the routine plays stronger if the signed bill comes back damp with lemon juice. At least for me. If you do not want to return a moist bill then simply do different impossible location. Why a lemon anyway? I stopped using lemons (except for special one-off platform shows) over a decade ago. My go to routine for repeatable routines (say on the street or at a festival where I am performing several back-to_back shows) is bill to balloon or bill to cigarette. I prefer bill to cigarette for pub venues where I can borrow a cigarette The borrowed, signed, bill to impossible location (lemon, kiwi, egg, walnut, peanut, balloon, cigarette, whatever) is a heck of a strong trick. I haven't done a paid performance in decades without it.
The artist formally known as Mumblepeas!
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wizardpa Inner circle The New Orleans area 1011 Posts |
I'm thinking about doing the Bill to Fortune cookie, I'm guessing that has never been done before.
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
Well, now that we are off topic, I will answer Harry Murphy's question, "Why a lemon?"
I have always performed the late Terry Seabrooke's Sighed Bill in Envelope in Wallet trick. Now that I am using a theme of booze, bottles and glasses, I thought that having the Bill appear in a Lemon would be more on theme. ------------------------------------------------------- Wizardpa, I do believe it was already performed with a Fortune Cookie back in the early 1980's. ------------------------------------------------------- Thanks to those that have shared there thoughts on the original question. |
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Harry Murphy Inner circle Maryland 5444 Posts |
Bill in ice cube would be more on theme.
There has been a card to fortune cookie so it is not much of a leap to do a bill to fortune cookie. Go for it.
The artist formally known as Mumblepeas!
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charliecheckers Inner circle 1969 Posts |
I think if you are considering using saran wrap you are better off replacing the real lemon with a plastic one. The reason is, that I believe you are already greatly reducing the impact of the reveal if you use saran wrap. Why set the audience expectations high, just to disappoint. You may as well settle for a less impressive reveal right from the start.
I use the method described in Doc Eason's DVD, which uses a folded bill in the lemon. I would not care if it were rolled though, as I agree that audiences would not pick up on the dicrepency. |
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makeupguy Inner circle 1411 Posts |
Mike Ammar's routine uses a lemon that has been dried a little.. so that the lemon is not soaking wet.. and the bill is a little drier.
I use a TT in mine.. so very little of the bill has lemon juice on it.. There are ways of keeping the bill dry-ish... and not affecting the look of the effect at all.. |
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rghale New user Robert Hale 29 Posts |
Since I rip up the whole bill it doesn't make a difference how it appears. There is a restoration in addition to the transposition.
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w_s_anderson Inner circle The United States 1226 Posts |
I use limes instead of lemons. They are not nearly as juicy as lemons. The bill comes out a bit damp and smelling like limes, but in no way is it soaked. It might work even better with your routine since more cocktails use limes then lemons.
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
I do torn corner card to lemon, but I hate it when the card gets soggy.
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
http://www.juggleral.com http://home.comcast.net/~juggleral/ "Footprints on your ceiling are almost gone" |
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Dr_J_Ayala Inner circle In search of Vlad Dracul and his 2169 Posts |
I have done this for a long time as well, and the method I use more than anything these days is the Rudy Hunter version. I will use a kiwi or lemon when the show will call for it. Also like Harry, I have long since given up on the lemon part because it was just a pain at times. These days I prefer the bill to reappear inside the Sharpie used to sign the bill, or when the occasion permits, inside a sugar packet. At one point I did bill to fortune cookie using a small twist on the card to fortune cookie method; I have not used that one in a long time but in the right setting, it is organic and it kills.
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Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts |
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On 2012-01-10 01:07, w_s_anderson wrote: Great idea and solution to the "wet" problem. Also a good observation regarding the use of limes over lemons in a bar setting, which makes this minor change of fruits optimal for the particular act desired. Regarding saran wrap... I think there are some things that can happen in magic that, while incredible, retain credibility. An audience could somehow accept that a magician could get a bill into a lemon (tricky devils that we are), but that we also somehow wrapped that bill in saran wrap en route is a hard pill to swallow. To me, it goes straight to method, the secret becoming transparent. If however, a small piece of saran wrap was introduced ahead of time, and duly vanished along with the bill, then the trans-location could at least be termed plausible. I still think however, that such "extras" do more harm than good, sacrificing an un-muddied effect for convenience due to lemon juice.
~michael baker
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Dr_J_Ayala Inner circle In search of Vlad Dracul and his 2169 Posts |
I had the same thought as Michael did in the last sentence of his post, as I was posting my own thoughts above. I think that if you are overly worried about getting the bill wet, or even slightly damp, or making any bit of mess, you would probably do better to find another impossible location/item in which the bill can reappear.
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
I wonder if I rolled up the card up like a joint, and stuff it in a kiwi? If it fits that should get rid of the soggy card problem.
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
http://www.juggleral.com http://home.comcast.net/~juggleral/ "Footprints on your ceiling are almost gone" |
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Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts |
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On 2012-01-10 16:24, Al Angello wrote: That would help, although eventually the juice would "wick" through the paper.
~michael baker
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
Arn't lemons a lot juicer than a kiwi?
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
http://www.juggleral.com http://home.comcast.net/~juggleral/ "Footprints on your ceiling are almost gone" |
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Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts |
I'm guessing they are because I see a lot more lemon juice at the store than I do kiwi juice.
~michael baker
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Jeff Jenson Veteran user Denver, Colorado 319 Posts |
I perform Bill in Lemon in almost every show I do and In my own opinion, I like it when the bill is wet from lemon juice because it makes the magic more real!
Plus it's kinda funny to watch people smell the bill!
Jeff Jenson
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ya4davecox Regular user Los Angeles 124 Posts |
It is VERY funny to tell them to unfold their new lemon fresh dollar, and 9 times out of ten, they WILL smell it. And you can react. As far as the juice - it gives the trick a lot of credibility when that thing comes out damp. if, like me, you go with the removal of the pip method, if you go straight down the center, using a pencil or dowel or pair of long tweezers, you can pry apart the sections of them lemon slightly without puncturing them too badly. Then, squeeze it gently and hold it upside down for a second to drain out the juice you did knock loose. And, hand them a towel at the end to dry it. It's just polite, and saves any hard feelings.
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