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Tom G
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I've been ripped on site and I know who they are....
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Not withstanding the screams of the terrified, I cannot imagine Steve Brooks joining up AND touting this without knowing the people involved, being shown the stuff already on the shelf,and having trust in the people's ability to pull this off.

I'd drop $150 on this...I've dropped more on highly touted unworkable carp from other people I've heard of...but none of those names were Brooks, Maven or Weber.

Tho...it is probably time to fess up to the other info such as names of the founders and publishers. This thing could be REALLY exciting and could call out some high end work...private, limited, no revealing...sounds real good to me.

It may well not be something they want hoards of people joining. There well be some altruistic things going on.

Then again, I could be wrong.

But, in the meantime, I'm in. It's worth the risk of a 3-month subscripton at the least.
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I see where you can sign up and pay via PayPal, though it says there that you agree with the Terms - which are nebulous at best. Also, no privacy policy that I can find. I think I will beg out of this one.

Thank you.

Jim
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My understanding is that one of the names associated with Real Secrets is going to make a statement regarding the major concerns of people...in the meantime, hang in there!

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I took the chance the other day and paid a full year membership, because I like the idea of getting a magic surprise each month. However, after reading many of the concerns posted here, I'm having second thoughts, and I emailed Real Secrets to ask them for a refund. I'll let you all know how that goes.
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[quote]On 2012-02-20 06:24, Xiqual wrote:
I wonder how hard it is to cancel? They say "recurring" these things can be a nightmare.
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With Paypal, it's as easy as pushing a button on their website.
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Saw Mr Weber at blackpool convention this weekend and he was selling subscriptions to this on his stand. For me, that is enough proof it is legit.

Moreover, he was really excited about this, and the things they were going to release.

Good day gentlemen,

Jon Hackett
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Nice to see a rabbling mob trash this with no evidence of anything. Assumptions of intent flying like snarky arrows. Assumptions of the very worst instead of assumptions of the very best. Perhaps, if everyone who objects does NOT join in, the actual members would be better off? So far there are....oops, as a member, I cannot comment on content.

However: $12 a month for exclusive hot stuff....cheaper than ANY eBook out there.

Relax. If you don't like the setup, DON'T join, and it doesn't concern you. If you do like it, join up.

...and I'd bet refund request will be handled promptly. Think about it...why would anyone give anyone a hassle on refunds this early in the game?
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Some people will join because of the creators behind it ( I wanted to ). In about two months they should receive their first 'miracle'. Maybe we'll get a review.

But..the "REAL SECRETS TEAM" says in their first and only Café post "Certainly you can discuss whether you like or hate Real Secrets with others around you but you simply have to agree to the rules of the game to be and continue to be a member".

So...will they just come here and say the first trick they received is the greatest trick they have ever seen...but...they can't discuss it. Just take their word for it and join right away.

I'd be very suspect of reviews that come in as online forums already have the friends of creators giving glowing reviews. There is talk that companies and creators pay people to give glowing reviews. The online world of magic is like a Twilight Zone episode where you don't know who to trust.

Do do do do, do do do do......
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So...will they just come here and say the first trick they received is the greatest trick they have ever seen...but...they can't discuss it. Just take their word for it and join right away.

If the stuff is good, members will NOT want others to join. Exclusive is exclusive, and silence is the lock.

And apparently the creators are demanding secrecy. How is this bad?
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On 2012-02-20 15:14, Tom Jorgenson wrote:
Nice to see a rabbling mob trash this with no evidence of anything. Assumptions of intent flying like snarky arrows. Assumptions of the very worst instead of assumptions of the very best. Perhaps, if everyone who objects does NOT join in, the actual members would be better off? So far there are....oops, as a member, I cannot comment on content.

However: $12 a month for exclusive hot stuff....cheaper than ANY eBook out there.

Relax. If you don't like the setup, DON'T join, and it doesn't concern you. If you do like it, join up.

...and I'd bet refund request will be handled promptly. Think about it...why would anyone give anyone a hassle on refunds this early in the game?

Not $12 a month, $144 paid in FULL a year. There is a difference. Now if it was monthly I would not mind trying it for a few months or so and then I would make my decision. I don't call being cautious and aware trashing a product, a product that no one has any information about. And it makes sense not to want to pay for something blindly and not know what you are getting. That is called smart consumer/business practices. As opposed to just jumping in blindly and possibly getting burnt. That is where experience and awareness comes in. I personally think it is legit and probably good stuff. But the point is that I will not be making the purchase because of the overly secretive nature of it all, and the lack of support and information does not appeal to me as a consumer.

The magician in me wants to jump on it, but the consumer in me says it is not a smart risk. Unless you have loads of money in reserve you don't mind blowing. Better safe than sorry. But there are just too many variables going on, can't talk about it, can't do a video of the material, recurring payments, no registered company, can't review it, no this no that etc. As a consumer I would be willing to take the plunge if I could buy back issues later and if I could read reviews that would tell me what I am getting. If not they will lose my business, and I am sure the business of many others who are cautiously aware and have been burnt in the past via pre-orders.

I don't call being skeptical about purchasing an unknown product trash mobbing, I call it intelligent consumerism. Lack of information leaves no other choice BUT to assume. And most assume the worst so they are not disppointed nor surprised when they get it.
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On 2012-02-20 15:16, Zombie Magic wrote:
Some people will join because of the creators behind it ( I wanted to ). In about two months they should receive their first 'miracle'. Maybe we'll get a review.

But..the "REAL SECRETS TEAM" says in their first and only Café post "Certainly you can discuss whether you like or hate Real Secrets with others around you but you simply have to agree to the rules of the game to be and continue to be a member".

So...will they just come here and say the first trick they received is the greatest trick they have ever seen...but...they can't discuss it. Just take their word for it and join right away.

I'd be very suspect of reviews that come in as online forums already have the friends of creators giving glowing reviews. There is talk that companies and creators pay people to give glowing reviews. The online world of magic is like a Twilight Zone episode where you don't know who to trust.

Do do do do, do do do do......

Yeah the review would be something like this:

Wow just got my REAL SECRETS in the mail and it ROCKS!!! Awesome stuff in awesome packaging!! The effect is by ****** ******* and involves taking a **** and placing it an ******** and thus setting in on **** and then ********* it. Did I tell too much? I hope not I do not want to be removed from this awesome ELITE group! I would tell you what I give the effect out of 10 but that is a secret chumps! Join now!! AWESOME STUFF!! ********** (secret rating 10 stars please don't remove me!)
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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On 2012-02-20 15:14, Tom Jorgenson wrote:
Nice to see a rabbling mob trash this with no evidence of anything. Assumptions of intent flying like snarky arrows. Assumptions of the very worst instead of assumptions of the very best. Perhaps, if everyone who objects does NOT join in, the actual members would be better off? So far there are....oops, as a member, I cannot comment on content.

However: $12 a month for exclusive hot stuff....cheaper than ANY eBook out there.

Relax. If you don't like the setup, DON'T join, and it doesn't concern you. If you do like it, join up.

...and I'd bet refund request will be handled promptly. Think about it...why would anyone give anyone a hassle on refunds this early in the game?

Actually, everyone is following the rules of The Latest and Greatest section and in response to the original poster, Real Secrets Team.

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......um=218&0

"To provide a place where folks can discuss the latest rumors, read announcements and speculate about the obvious hyperbole surrounding many of the upcoming products that are released into magicdom. Will they be genuine miracles or mere rhetoric? We ponder the question... "
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Ouch, the Café shot it itself in the foot. Smile
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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Maybe they should put out one "sampler" issue for $12. People could check out the content and quality and decide if they wanted to spend another $36 for three more issues or $144 for another 12. I guess the sample issue couldn't be one of the regular issues, since they've promised exclusivity to subscribers, but it could still be representative of what the regular issues will be like.

It's the sight-unseen nature of this project, coupled with the fact that the smallest investment you can make in it is $36, that has people hesitating. If they could make a smaller investment and get a clearer picture of what they'd be getting with a subscription, it seems like that would be beneficial to both the Real Secrets people (whoever they are) and to their potential customers.
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Here we go again.
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I am in. Will see if in a year, I say, "I am glad I did that." or "Well, mmmm."

But I am in.

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I think a 'wait and see' attitude is intelligent, and a 'jump on it from available data' is also intelligent. It is not the available data that is off-putting...so far, sounds great....it is the info that is missing that is driving people up a wall.


But the assumptions of intent ("I'll bet they...") with no evidence...is high school thinking.

Anyway, I've layed out my opinions, backed up with a year's subscription...and they don't need me to play Devil's Advocate for them, as they've got all the skinny on this. Now, it's time for ME to play that 'Wait and See' thing.

Rage on.

It's back to the hammock for me. Life is good.
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Maybe they should fix their website so it's secured. Any info you give on their website in regards to your personal information is NOT protected. Their paypal account is unverified. They do not have a merchant id number. Yet, we are to trust them? Are you serious? This is very amatuer even if so called reputable people in the industry are involved in the project. From the cheap unsecured, unprotected website that does not protect your personal information, to the marketing of it.

Everyone should be warned that the website is unsecured, especially when it asks for personal information. The website is very amatuer, and as someone pointed out, no specifics on the terms and conditions. The paypal account is a week old, and still unverified.

No matter how you look at it. This project was badly introduced, and is poorly put together. Amateur is written all over it. It thinks nothing of protecting customers, while secrectly hiding protects them 100%.

It's not an issue of if it's a scam or not, and no one has claimed that. What is being discussed is some facts that have been presented, and concerns about who is in charge of the project, not who is contributing to it.
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Well my platinum membership is in, looking forward to the surprises myself.
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