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Judah Vee Special user of the JV Naughty Vanish.... 884 Posts |
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On 2012-03-03 23:35, Atom3339 wrote: Well I hope they have done it for others here, Otherwise I am special. Though I have no idea why I would have been selected, as I am no one special..... ('cept to my mommy...) -J-
I don't care how fast or slow you are.... As long as I am faster.. -J-
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toberman Loyal user 223 Posts |
[quote]On 2012-03-03 13:47, GaryLee wrote:
It basiclly comes down to personal choice. But, if all those who oppose the marketing and secrecy behind realsecrets stop posting here, the thread would be rather boring. There might of been maybe 1 page of posts and that's it if it wasn't for the controversy. Realsecrets would not even be talked about as much as it is right now. Most of the reason why realsecrets is getting so much attention is because of those "naysayers" who keep the topic fresh and alive. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Actually the naysayers are not keeping anything fresh and alive, they are hoping to create controversy and are desperate for attention. I have to assume they are either immature or very lonely. I happen to know someone involved in this project. It is 100% legitimate. There is no scam here. I've paid my money and am looking forward to the surprises to come. Those who are skeptical are welcome to sit on the sidelines and wait for reactions. Terry |
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Jim Sparx Inner circle Far Out, Texas 1144 Posts |
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On 2012-03-03 23:20, FrenchDrop wrote: Too late, I have inside information the principles are operating out of an underground bunker in Antarctica, so they have no need to, "skip the country."
Et tu, Spartacus?
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FrenchDrop Inner circle I can name that tune in 1647 Posts |
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On 2012-03-04 00:00, spartacus wrote: Whoa! That's planning.
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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billmarq Special user State near Arizona 570 Posts |
I was enthused enough by the prospect of receiving a "trick" every month for a nominal fee of $12 per month that I sent off a payment for an annual subscription, per their advertisement of a "one-time fee." It seemed a simple matter to cancel the recurring payment with Paypal to begin in 2013 since that was the one aspect of the deal that I cannot accept. Their advertisements and web page said nothing to imply that this was not allowed. My action was quickly followed by a demand that I reinstate the recurring payment or be excluded from the "club."
I'm sorry guys, but I cannot do business with people who deceptively advertise their service. A one-time fee is a one-time fee and does not include a required future payment for extended service. I have no problem with anyone else who doesn't care about any of this. We have different expectations, and that is just fine with me. I have since spent the money in my Paypal acount on Al Schneider's latest book, fifty feet of rope, a couple of PK rings, and still have money left over for something else. I guess we are all happy. At least for now. I shall be on the outside looking in.
Honi soit quit mal y pense.
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Ray Chelt Special user Changing the world with my 988 Posts |
[quote]On 2012-03-03 23:49, toberman wrote:
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On 2012-03-03 13:47, GaryLee wrote: Actually that kind of comment is unnecessary. And its typical of the type of machismo that exists with some groups on here. Some folk like this idea and some folk don't-- let's ditch the name calling. |
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2096 Posts |
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On 2012-03-03 22:43, Judah Vee wrote: Awesome!! More SECRETS we don't know about from secret annonymous insiders and veritable nobodies with no info!! COOL!!!
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2096 Posts |
[quote]On 2012-03-04 05:20, Ray Chelt wrote:
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On 2012-03-03 23:49, toberman wrote: Yeah that was pretty "immature" wasn't it? He must be pretty "lonely" to make a statement like that, and seems to be "desperate for attention" and acceptance of his Real Secret agents. But it is always funny when the pot calls the kettle black. Pack mentality and hypocrisy is what keeps the Café running 24 hours.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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Howie Diddot Inner circle San Francisco & Los Angeles California 3288 Posts |
I asked this in the PM Broadcast message, but then decided to ask it here as well.
Do you think in the future it is possible that the Real Secrets Team will introduce a feature that includes allowing a magician to present the routines in a public show with an additional performance fee payment? |
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Ray Chelt Special user Changing the world with my 988 Posts |
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On 2012-03-04 08:34, Howie Diddot wrote: Slightly confused by this. You buy a trick to perform it so you shouldn't need any extra permission for a public performance? |
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Mr. Mystoffelees Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3623 Posts |
[quote]On 2012-03-03 19:50, Xiqual wrote:
I don't want to be saved! I like being thickheaded. My impulse buying or fantasy purchases are not your problem. I just can't help reading your posts and hearing Dustin Hoffman's voice. "What Real Secrets wants most to keep "secret" is that "$12 month" is actually $288 for 2 years." $288, $288, Real Secrets, 2 Years. or this; "Equally as tiring as the blind support for a blind product from the Real Secrets blind magicians bandwagon" blind support, blind product, blind magicians bandwagon blind blind blind blind magicians bandwagon. Just try and not hear Dustin Hoffman as Rainman saying all that. James [quote] I prefer to hear him say all that as Hook...
Also known, when doing rope magic, as "Cordini"
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2096 Posts |
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On 2012-03-04 08:34, Howie Diddot wrote: Why would you not be able to present them in public? Even though most who buy this want it to fool magicians, you can present the effects anywhere you want to. Otherwise what is the purpose of the effects? To just show magicians? You don't have to raise your fees to show the effects. Are you wanting to send Real Secrets "tip money" for them "allowing" you to show such secretive material, which is the entire purpose in the first place? You can see just what confusion and idiocy this product causes. It is prettty sad how magic thieves are releasing a lot of DVDS now and say that you do not have performace rights to the material, and you have to buy more stuff later. But they conveniently leave this information off of the DVD until they get your money. See the Wizard Product Review for more examples. They want you to just watch the secret and then use the DVD as a coaster. This is a line crap and the most stupid thing I have ever heard of. If I buy a DVD to learn material nobody is going to stop me from performing. So yeah, "back up that truck" Sean Scott.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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Brad Burt Inner circle 2675 Posts |
Performing the routines anywhere you wish, public or otherwise is not a problem. What they are asking is that we don't mass distribute it via something like YouTube, etc. You can perform the routines for your magic friends, but you know how that generally leads, or many times leads to then telling them the 'How' of the method? Don't do that. It's just old school "don't tell how you do it stuff".
Look at it from the Real Secrets folks point of view. Have YOU gone and seen what is EXPOSED on YouTube? Magicians **** and moan to this day about the "Masked Magician" and YouTube is on a whole new level of 'bad'. The why is obvious....the material is available on an ongoing and daily basis. I admit I could have phrased much of their opening note above in much clearer language, but it's not that obtuse. DO the magic all you want. Just don't share the METHODS with non members. Don't go broadcasting the effects around. Why that one??? Sheesh, has no one heard the rule of magic that states you don't tell them what's going to happen before it does, because it's the same as repeating the same trick for the same folks during the same time period? The simplest read between the lines: Yep, we know the methods to this stuff is going to get out, but we are going to attempt to have that happen as SLOWLY as possible.....for YOUR benefit not ours! Think about it. They'll have their money....in one basic sense what do that care if the methods get out? No one can get BACK ISSUES!!!! Once the release cycle of an item is past that's it. The ONLY folks it protects are their clients. Period. Again, think about what they are saying: Let's say that you start your subscription in May? Unless they change what they mean by saying no Back Issues or change the policy for some reason....the new subscriber will NOT be able to get the April release. So in one very basic sense the publisher has nothing to protect. Cat's out of the bag for them. Go forth happy clients and perform the material for whoever you wish, where ever you wish. Just keep it Old School....don't tell folks how it's done. Now a screed: I don't blame them. Magic has never seen such an influx of folks doing magic without the slightest hint,idea or the history of the craft. They have no idea of the ethics of the craft and seemingly could care less. They toss badly done presentations about willy nilly, they offer up some of the most sublime methods of magic ever conceived with no thought whatsoever to what they are doing. "Don't ask, don't tell" was a magic ethic for a long time before the military borrowed it from us! Now, younger magicians have no seeming internal prohibition to asking one how something is done as if you freaking owe it to them like it's some form of entitlement. That's WHY the Real Secrets folks have asked that at least at the most minimum level we don't just fritter away what they send us. Cool. Good for them.
Brad Burt
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gaffed Inner circle So far I've managed to gimmick 1817 Posts |
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On 2012-03-03 13:05, sirbrad wrote:
"Half this game is ninety percent mental."
~Yogi Berra~ "To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible." ~St. Thomas Aquinas~ Twitter – "A means of proving how pathetic and lonely you are in 140 characters or less." ~Anonymous~ |
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2096 Posts |
Careful gaffed you are going to get a headache. I am done whenever others are "done" with their veiled attacks which you conveniently ignore. Maybe you slammed your head too much or can't see that through those rose colored, biased glasses. Get over it.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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gaffed Inner circle So far I've managed to gimmick 1817 Posts |
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On 2012-03-04 11:15, sirbrad wrote: Christ Almighty! We all get it already...OK? You don’t like the idea of “Real Secrets” and want nothing to do with it. You’ve made that quite clear in 57 posts! Obviously there is nothing wrong whatsoever in stating your opinion on a forum site, but now, for all practical purposes, it has become akin to nothing more than mere trolling. How about taking a break, relax, count your hundred dollar bills, start reading all of those thousands of magic books you have and stop clogging up this thread with your never ending mindless rants. We’ve all heard it already....57 TIMES!
"Half this game is ninety percent mental."
~Yogi Berra~ "To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible." ~St. Thomas Aquinas~ Twitter – "A means of proving how pathetic and lonely you are in 140 characters or less." ~Anonymous~ |
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Zombie Magic Inner circle I went out for a beer and now have 8733 Posts |
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On 2012-02-19 00:35, Real Secrets Team wrote: This is exciting. Keeping the secrets among the select few. Like the 'magic underground' of years ago. You had to be part of the inner circle to be in the know. |
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EricDraven Inner circle 1257 Posts |
Years ago?
what do you mean? :)
Believe me...nothing is trivial...
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Zombie Magic Inner circle I went out for a beer and now have 8733 Posts |
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On 2012-03-04 13:08, EricDraven wrote: SHHHHHHHHHHHH. It's a thing of the past....doesn't exist anymore. This isn't the underground they're looking for....Nothing to see here...move along.... :firedevil: |
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Tom Jorgenson Inner circle LOOSE ANGLES, CALIFORNIA 4451 Posts |
Think PEA: underground, need to be a member, their own publications...they are pretty successful and pretty secret at the same time.
With any luck at all...RS could attain to be the same.
We dance an invisible dance to music they cannot hear.
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