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kihei kid
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Dog House
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Posted: Sep 24, 2003 9:04am
I sure like the sound of this one, if anyone has this trick can you please give me a review of it?
Thanks
Kid  
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You brought something beautiful to this world, you touched my heart, my soul and my life. You will be greatly missed.
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Vasilis
Regular user
Greece
133 Posts
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Posted: Sep 24, 2003 3:46pm
Here's a link for you,Kid:
http://murphysmagicsupplies.com/catalog/tricks/html/stolencards.html
Hope that helps you...
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erictan8888
Special user
Singapore
517 Posts
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Posted: Sep 25, 2003 9:19am
Hi, I have this trick by lennart green... very cool, the trick is very easy to perform, and it comes with all the cool cards with different back designs...
this trick is the same as the india rainbow card trick, (not the randy wakeman rainbow deck- they are different) and the cool think is that the only cards the spectator stopped at matches the only 2 red cards in a whole deck of black queens (the cards may be different, but the effect is the same)
the india rainbow deck sells for much cheaper, and I think it is available at discountmagic.com if I am not mistaken.
pm me if you can;t find it there, cause I still have the link to it.
the only thing about the india rainbow deck version is that they rip off someone's idea, and made the same thing, but unfortunately I have no idea who invented this trick.
(i am not too sure if lennart green invented it or what, but in one of karl Fulves self working books, he also taught this trick, with no rainbow deck design, and it is called gemini twins)
the other thing about the india rainbow deck is that the deck is bridge size, and the lennart green's deck is in poker size. it costs a lot of have this rainbow deck if you buy it off from certain card collectors web site, and I believe they give you a deck with half poker size and half bridge size.
I have personally created a rainboz deck myself, with all cards of differnet designs and all in poker size and all the faces are jokers.... so I use this deck for this stolen cards trick instead of the lennart green deck that I bought.
I like the deck for its back designs and I wouldn't sell mine, even for $500...no kidding...
anyway, it is a beautiful trick and if you don;t mind the bridge size, then get the rainbow deck version which sells for around $5, but if you want a poker size version, that I suggest you get lennart green's stolen cards...it is worth it....
also, a trick called kaleidescope cards perform the same effect...you can get that if you want.
hope I have been helpful
eric 
"Fill you life with magic by making magic a part of your life." by eric tan.
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Thomas Walter
New user
Sweden
58 Posts
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Posted: Oct 14, 2003 2:23pm
Lennart's plot and presentation idea, stolen cards from different casinos, is what makes this effekt entertaining (remember that word?)....
I have seen Lennart do it, great stuff! Buy it and make a good presentation job out of it!
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benrl
Regular user
124 Posts
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Posted: Oct 14, 2003 5:46pm
It's one of those very easy, high impact effects that make magis very happy.
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Dave V
Inner circle
Las Vegas, NV
4192 Posts
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Posted: Nov 8, 2003 12:26am
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On 2003-09-25 09:19, erictan8888 wrote:
...unfortunately I have no idea who invented this trick.
(i am not too sure if lennart green invented it or what, but in one of karl Fulves self working books, he also taught this trick, with no rainbow deck design, and it is called gemini twins)
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Yes, Gemini Twins was the inspiration for (ahem) me when I developed the Casino Cards angle nearly a decade ago. It's one of those things that proves if you want to hide something you should publish it. The inspiration also came from seeing a Rainbow Deck. Although the routine is totally different, it led me to buy up some old casino decks so I could work on my own variation.
I performed the prototype for Scotty York in his living room after dinner one night in the early 90's and he liked it and asked if he could work on getting it published for me.
Enlisting the help of Jamy Ian Swiss's writing skills, he ultimately produced the trick that (now that I think about it) I also performed at Dr. Green's table (he and I were seated together) at his first convention appearance in the U.S. in Las Vegas many years ago at a Close Up Convention co-hosted by Joe Stevens and Geno Munari.
Scotty York retitled my version "Quintuplicate Coincidence" and published it under his "For Your Eyes Only" label, now owned by (I think) Denny and Lee's
Michael Close remembered seeing Lennart Green's "trick" somewhere before and gave me credit for the casino concept in his review in Magic Magazine, Sept. 2002.
Either way, I'm flattered that you like it no matter who you bought it from. Like Mike says in his review, you might want to replace some of the "kiddie" cards with something more appropriate.
You said the deck you got was Casino cards? All of them? Or are they still being produced as a mixture of things?
The one I (Scotty) originally produced was 100% Casino cards from local Casinos (I live in Las Vegas) None of them were "cutouts" or mutilated used cards. They were made from fresh sealed decks from patterns the casinos had retired from use.
David VanVranken
"Renaissance Man",
president of IBM Ring 2100 
and the developer of the predecessor to "Stolen Cards"
(aptly named? but I really don't mind... especially since I went away with his Angle Separation and 1-2 Separation in exchange for my meager offering)
"Master technique, then forget about it and be natural."
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whodini
Regular user
Clearwater, FL
155 Posts
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Posted: Nov 8, 2003 12:40am
Actually I saw this effect about twenty years ago called Kaleidascope cards. Fox Lake put it out at the time. I have since then collected decks and made my own also. It is a great effect and the final display is a jawdropper for the audience
Park
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Dave V
Inner circle
Las Vegas, NV
4192 Posts
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Posted: Nov 8, 2003 12:48am
It very well could have been Kaleidascope cards that I originally saw. To add some more crediting to the lineage, it was during a late night "Darwin Midnight Magic" session with Looy Simonoff when I first saw whatever it was performed. Whatever he had that night was no longer available and casino cards were plentiful, so I adapted the presentation to match what I had on hand.
Tell me, did either Kaleidoscope or Rainbow have a "force" card made with some raised dots to facilitate a break? Looy's had that, and I didn't really care for it, so I left that part out and went for the "Casino Card Collection" story that was originally published and just went into it without having the cards "cut" to the force pair.
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whodini
Regular user
Clearwater, FL
155 Posts
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Posted: Nov 8, 2003 12:55am
No.. Kaleidascope cards was just a straight version but it had 26 different backs.. match the backs... turn em over and the fronts are same color cards.. just different suit (Mine are aces) lastly show all the remianing cards as black aces..
quick, easy and a good one for the lay audience.
Park
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Dave V
Inner circle
Las Vegas, NV
4192 Posts
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Posted: Nov 8, 2003 1:36am
It sounds very similar to mine and the other Gemini Twins variants that have come out, past and future.
Playing on the Casino angle and ever increasing odds, I started out with about a dozen different back styles and the volunteer(s) first matched the backs (1 in 12) of the first pair, followed by the second set of backs matching (another 1 in 12, but at the same time? The odds increased into the hundreds) then the faces of the first pair (1 in 52) followed by the second pair (uhhh... 1 in 52 squared?) Scotty claims to have done the math and at this point it was well into the thousands. The "real" numbers are in the book, if you can trust everything a magician tells you.
Followed by the ultimate match of them choosing the only "black" cards in an all "red" deck as I made a grand sweep across the table with a face up ribbon spread of the entire deck. Quite visually entertaining, which was exactly what I was going for.
The ever increasing odds in five stages led Scotty to use "Quintuplicate" in the title, although I would never call it that during a performance.
In my decks, there was a proper mixture (A-K) of two sets of two suits (either Hearts/Diamonds or Clubs/Spades with the "force" pair of the opposite color)rather than all the same card. The force pair didn't match exactly but was Jack of Spades/Jack of Clubs and Four of Spades/Four of Clubs so as not to give away the notion that they were exactly matched from the outset. After all, this was played as if it was a legitimate new Casino game, not a trick deck at all.
I liked it better that way as it looked closer to a "normal" deck that I could very well have gathered from my years of "Casino hopping" (only for the cards, honest!)
David
"Master technique, then forget about it and be natural."
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Peo Olsson
Inner circle
Stockholm, Sweden
2555 Posts
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Posted: Nov 8, 2003 1:50am
Last year Lennart made me an deck of 52 different cards of different sizes as a birtday gift for Stolen Cards.
He is a great guy, and we have met very often as we both live in Sweden.
Right now, I spoke to him yesterday, he have travelled to China, to perform there.
Pictured to the left my hero and me during FISM 2006 in Stockholm.
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WayneNZ
Special user
New Zealand
772 Posts
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Posted: Nov 8, 2003 8:27am
Yes, true its not the newest idea out there,
But this routine goes over very well with the paying public..
and that my friends is all that matters.
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erictan8888
Special user
Singapore
517 Posts
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Posted: Nov 8, 2003 10:01am
Hi,
the rainbow deck I bought has a mixture of cards, some used casino cards, some advertising cards and some cartoon cards. Well, this certainly has reduced the credibility that you steal cards from casino, cause which casino will use kiddie cards? hee hee...
but I think the story goes like this:
the performer plays cards with others and he steals a card from those games to see if they are marked or not. over time, he somehow manages to steal a full deck of cards.
the trick also comes with the mates of the force cards. the force cards are not exactly the same in suit and value. they are only the same in value and color, suit wise, they are mates, that is: queen of hearts and queen of diamonds. all the rest of the cards are the same in the trick stolen cards.
one funny thing though, for the Kaleidascope cards that I bought, the description says 26 different designs. but I check mine and found that actually it had 50 different designs. and the remaining 2 force cards had designs similar to 2 of the designs in the 50. so when you perform the trick, there are bascially 3 effects. number 1: the place they stop at, is the mate of the cards. number 2: the back designs match. number 3: the rest are all the same of a kind but different from the force cards.
david, do you still sell this trick with a deck full of different brand new retired casino cards? I would be very interested to purchase one from you.
eric
"Fill you life with magic by making magic a part of your life." by eric tan.
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Dave V
Inner circle
Las Vegas, NV
4192 Posts
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Posted: Nov 8, 2003 11:07am
Sorry Eric, I don't. But Denny and Lee might. They now own the FYEO product line of Scotty York's and Scotty is the one that ended up with all the cards. Here's the link:
http://www.dennymagic.com/cgi-bin/hazel.cgi?client=88670805&action=detail&item=002907
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whodini
Regular user
Clearwater, FL
155 Posts
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Posted: Nov 8, 2003 11:22am
I just use the patter that throughtout the years I have collected different back designs from many types of playing cards and her is my collection.... further proof I have no life! This gives a credible reason to have a weird deck.
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erictan8888
Special user
Singapore
517 Posts
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Posted: Nov 8, 2003 3:50pm
Hi,
david, thanks for the link.
I think the trick FYEO provides used casino cards.
there is a picture of the cards in the trick description, and the top faced down card seems to have the lower right corner cut off.
hmm.... I was thinking of purchasing one that uses brand new cards.... oh... never mind.
thanks a lot
eric
"Fill you life with magic by making magic a part of your life." by eric tan.
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Dave V
Inner circle
Las Vegas, NV
4192 Posts
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Posted: Nov 8, 2003 8:58pm
It's possible... I can't quite tell if it's the missing corner or the card below it that I see. Used cards are much cheaper than new "retired" cards and it's entirely possible that that's what Scotty started buying. If you're truly interested, check out Gambler's General Store in Las Vegas. They have both new and used casino cards. FYI, it'll take at least a dozen decks or more to make one for yourself. The upside of this is, you'll also have enough for a dozen more decks! That's how I got my start, but I just didn't have time to pursue it, which is why Scotty York got involved. If Denny and Lee's can't answer your question, that's probably your next best choice, but it'll cost more to make one for yourself than what they're asking. Having "cancelled" cards isn't so bad though considering the story line that goes along with them.
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kris attard
Veteran user
Malta
355 Posts
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Posted: Nov 22, 2003 12:40am
Just my ten cents worth on this effect. I used the India rainbow deck for a fair while, but ever since I got Stolen Cards, I by far prefer it. The impact of the climax is much stronger given the diversity of the backs of SC, and also makes for greater interest factor. The rainbow deck is mainly colourful scenes which look more or less the same when the pack is spread. SC includes backs of Budweiser, Elvis, Nike, etc. A note: while I would imagine the backs of the cards are probably the same in every unit manufactured, the case the cards come in varies from unit to unit. I happened to be browsing at Tannen's when they received their consigment, and so could choose an attractive Jack Daniels one.
Great trick, thanks Lennert.
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Dave V
Inner circle
Las Vegas, NV
4192 Posts
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Posted: Nov 22, 2003 11:51am
You're welcome,
But my name's not Lennert 
If his is anything like mine, the cards aren't exact so neither are the boxes. Since neither version is "manufactured" but rather assembled, I'd imagine (just like Scotty and I) he used whatever cards were available. With all those random boxes laying around, it stands to reason the boxes would be different too.
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Mb217
Inner circle
La Famiglia! East Coast
3579 Posts
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Posted: Nov 4, 2006 10:28am
I know this is an old string, but just want to get some clarification on all this:
What is the difference between a Rainbow Deck, Kaleidoscope Cards, and Stolen Cards??? Or are they actually pretty much all the same effect?
I have a rainbow deck and a Kaleidoscope deck and here's the difference I see...My rainbow deck seems to be a regular deck of cards with different backs. My Kaliedoscope Cards, is all cards are 1 red card, with 4 same value black cards. What is so different about Dave VV's version or Lennart Green's Stolen Cards???
I love the basic trick and premise (kaleidoscope cards) and it's one of the only deck tricks I like performing. -MB
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Dave V
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Las Vegas, NV
4192 Posts
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Posted: Nov 4, 2006 3:09pm
My version used a mix of cards from a dozen or so local Casinos, with two "force" pairs. The mix consisted of all one color but different values, and the pair was of the opposite color.
For a while I sold pairs of decks. They were fully usable as they were two decks, A-K of all four suits. This enabled me to sort the two decks into one red and one black and swap out force cards as desired. This works great for trade shows or other venues where you might repeat the trick for some of the same audience.
Lennart's version has a mix of backs and the odd color force pair as well, but I don't know of the remainder of the deck is all one card, or a mix of cards. I also heard he used a few "filler" cards from novelty decks. That might have changed over the years, I don't really know.
If I recall, the Rainbow Deck was a bridge deck of various novelty cards, and the routine assumed the faces were all normal. Mine would be closer to the Kaleidoscope Deck concept but adapted specifically for the Casino story line.
"Master technique, then forget about it and be natural."
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fvdbeek
Veteran user
394 Posts
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Posted: Nov 5, 2006 2:12am
It 's not that difficult to get those cards.
Go to Corbinmagic.com, look for an effect Las Vegas Gemini en buy it. You get yourself a deck with genuine casinocards and here comes the best part: you're done for 10 bucks including postage worldwide.
Frans
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Dave V
Inner circle
Las Vegas, NV
4192 Posts
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Posted: Nov 5, 2006 3:01am
Looks like yet another person jumping on the bandwagon. This looks like Kaleidoscope cards done up in casino cards. The routine sounds interesting, and although vaguely familiar it's different enough from it's predecessors that there shouldn't be any "rip off" claims. I never thought I would be a trend setter so many years ago. I still think mine is easier to follow though.
"Master technique, then forget about it and be natural."
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Dave V
Inner circle
Las Vegas, NV
4192 Posts
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Posted: Nov 5, 2006 11:37am
Okay, I was curious enough to pay the ten bucks to get Las Vegas Gemini. If you want the deck only and already have a routine, go ahead and get this. But the description is misleading and the handling is really odd. I can't explain why without "exposing" but trust me, Lennarts version, my version... any version is better than this one. This is a good example of "improvements" that just make things more complicated than they need to be.
The first card is a blatant force with no choice whatsoever, the second one relies on questionable handling to get the next card into position. The remainder of the routine is standard Gemini Twins. The ad implies the spectator freely deals four piles and places a bill on each. This is simply not the case.
He spends the first two minutes of the downloaded video explaining why he used cancelled casino cards. The last two minutes were spent explaining that you can use other decks. Anyone who knows this trick knows this immediately anyway, so that was just wasted camera time. Turn your speakers down for the first and last few seconds as he copies other Instant Downloads by other popular dealers by using loud, obnoxious beat music as an intro and exit to the video.
I was also disappointed that absolutely no credit was given.
So, if you really want to do this, buy the cards, but also buy someone else's routine. Or you can support the originators and buy one of the earlier versions and save yourself $10.
Just to show there's no hard feelings, since he did at least try to work out something different:
I will send (PDF by email)anyone who can show proof of purchase of this download, my original writeup of this trick as it was given to Scotty York over 12 years ago. Just name the casino used for the first force card in the video and the manuscript is yours.
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fvdbeek
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394 Posts
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Posted: Nov 5, 2006 2:26pm
Hi Dave, I agree with you that the handling is not as it is discribed on the webpage of Corbin Magic. Bye the way, I don't like his routine at all because at the end you have a big pile of cards and banknotes that isn't quite workable.
No, I did buy the cards because I have Lennert Green's 'Lite' DVD with the Stolen Cards routine. I liked the effect, I liked the story but where can you get the cards, I asked myself. So that's why I bought the Las Vegas Gemini Twins. I threw away the routine and kept the cards. Really authentic to make a great patter !
I will send you the answer to the casinoquestion, because I'm curious in wich way your routine is different from Lennart's.
Greetings,
Frans
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Mb217
Inner circle
La Famiglia! East Coast
3579 Posts
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Posted: Nov 5, 2006 6:38pm
I'm glad I re-lit the discussion on this, as it's still just as stimulating. I think I might buy Las Vegas Gemini too, heck everyone else seems to be doing it for one reason or another... Hey, wondering if such a deck comes in Bicycle size cards??? Seem to remember a demo where the deck showed a bicycle back card...Another version I think of maybe the Rainbow Deck as all the cards were regular with just different backs. Good discussion. -MB
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Dave V
Inner circle
Las Vegas, NV
4192 Posts
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Posted: Nov 5, 2006 7:20pm
Bicycle "size" yes. Most versions I've seen are standard poker size decks. However, the Rainbow Decks I've seen in the past have been bridge size. I think that changed recently as I've seen people advertising poker size Rainbow decks now.
If you're looking for a Casino theme, get either mine (from Denny and Lee's) or Lennart Green's.
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fvdbeek
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Posted: Nov 6, 2006 3:46am
Hi MB,
yes the cards are pokersize, and they all have casinobacks.
Some cards (most of them) have a small corner cut away. Casino's do that before they sell the cards so you can't cheat with them at the pokertable.
Frans
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Dave V
Inner circle
Las Vegas, NV
4192 Posts
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Posted: Nov 6, 2006 4:07pm
I also know that Denny and Lee's carries the decks separately, although they don't advertise it. If I recall the single deck price is $15.
For only $10 more you can get the deck plus the full routine. This booklet was published by Scotty York after I visited with him in Washington DC many years ago. He enlisted the writing skills of Jamy Ian Swiss to fill out my original instructions, developing it into more than just a single trick. There are variations, presentations, and audience management tips in there as well. You're really buying more than a box of cards. Scotty was pretty well set with his routines, but he was eager to put this particular trick into his repertoire as soon as possible. You can't get a much better endorsement than that!
In my opinion (yes, I might be biased) it's worth the extra few dollars to learn this from one of the pros.
"Master technique, then forget about it and be natural."
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kihei kid
Special user
Dog House
958 Posts
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Posted: Nov 10, 2006 12:03pm
After starting this thread I was sold on this effect and went out and purchased it, what I found out is what I have found out in other situations in life… it didn’t work… for me. The other thing that gets me is that I LIKE it a lot but just could not convey it to my audience, I never got the response that I had hoped for and now it has and inch of dust on it in my magic junk drawer, oh well.
It goes to show you the difference between a pro like Lennart and an amateur such as myself and/or something that works for one person and not for another.
In loving memory of Hughie Thomasson 1952-2007.
You brought something beautiful to this world, you touched my heart, my soul and my life. You will be greatly missed.
Until we meet again “my old friend”.
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