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kinesis Inner circle Scotland, surrounded by 2708 Posts |
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On 2012-03-18 09:33, visionquest wrote: HA HA - NICE TRY! SHOW ME ONE SHRED OF EVIDENCE ANYWHERE ON THE INTERNET OR IN WRITING WHERE I HAVE CLAIMED ANY PSYCHIC ABILITY! |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2012-03-18 08:18, IAIN wrote: 2001 ought to do it.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2012-03-18 08:48, kinesis wrote: Back away now, and do not attempt to engage the subject in any discussion involving logic or statistical bases for paranormal belief. USE EXTREME CAUTION.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
Thanks for reading the Divination Project It is a stand along single example of a Paranormal Divination of a future event in real time
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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visionquest Regular user 140 Posts |
No need to shout! I am almost positive that I have seen you post that you do readings. If I am mistaken I apologise. By all means clarify this for us. I could swear you posted this somewhere. Perhaps you do readings but do not claim psychic ability and say it is something else?
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kinesis Inner circle Scotland, surrounded by 2708 Posts |
I make no secret of the fact that I read Tarot. I have contributed to many topic threads on The Café about Tarot.
On several occasions I have stated the the reader does not need any psychic ability to read Tarot. I apologise for shouting but I object to anyone that calls me a psychic or would insinuate that I make claims based on psychic ability. I've been into magic since I was 5yrs old. For as long as I can remember, since then I've always taken a skeptical view point. Derek |
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
I'm confused... You do Psychic Readings but you aren't using your Psychie?
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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kinesis Inner circle Scotland, surrounded by 2708 Posts |
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On 2012-03-18 15:16, Slim King wrote: Slim, you and I have had this discussion before in a previous thread, long time ago... I don't do psychic readings, I read Tarot. So, when are you gonna do an open prediction on a horse race? Derek |
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visionquest Regular user 140 Posts |
I am more confused than ever. I have done thousands of tarot readings. The very basis of the tarot is to use your psychic ability, or if you wish to use a milder word, intution. Or gut feeling if you want to make it even milder. It cannot be done any other way unless you are just reciting a story that you think applies to the client. In other words sheer guesswork. That would be a very ineffective way of using the tarot.
Perhaps my definition of "psychic" differs from everyone elses. I thought I had explained my viewpoint on another very long thread. It seems it was a waste of time typing it all out. You can read palms without psychic ability since you can just say what the lines mean. That isn't how it works with the tarot. |
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bevbevvybev Inner circle UK 2672 Posts |
I read a book once. I judged it by its cover. I told it to turn over a new leaf and that there were many chapters ahead of it. But then it got defensive and closed up. And they kicked me out of Waterstones.
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visionquest Regular user 140 Posts |
This is all too much for me. I am now thoroughly lost in confusion. Perhaps Bev could explain what he is getting at?
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Amirá Inner circle MentalismCenter.com 5131 Posts |
Words are useless. Do whatever you want. Do it well.
Best
Pablo
Performer and Author Mentalism Center: The best online space to get quality Mentalism www.mentalismcenter.com Arkanosophy: The Boutique for Mystery Performers www.arkanosophy.com |
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kinesis Inner circle Scotland, surrounded by 2708 Posts |
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On 2012-03-18 17:53, visionquest wrote: When I read Tarot, I take the meaning of the cards to which I apply my intuition, imagination and life experience to give my reading appropriate to the sitter. That doesn't make me psychic. |
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Dr Spektor Eternal Order Carcanis 10781 Posts |
Using tarot cards for readings does not require any psychic ability whatsover - I do it all the time. My work with people is highly useful to them, entertaining, and enlightening - so the people I do it with tell me.
To be able to use the tarot equals being psychic is faulty logic. Being psychic doesn't mean one can read tarot cards either. Reading palms is the same if you want. Depends how you want to use a so called oracle or not. However, logic left the building long ago on this thread. LOGIC FAULTY FAULTY NONSEQ... MUST SELF DESTRUCT FAULTY FAULTY FAULTY....
"They are lean and athirst!!!!"
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visionquest Regular user 140 Posts |
Perhaps "intuition, imagination and life experience" is another expression for "psychic" and we are arguing semantics here. Still, I wonder just how good a tarot reading can be without psychic ability. Still, I shall reserve judgement until I hear one, which of course is unlikely since readings are supposed to be private. All I can tell you is the way I read the Tarot. The cards themselves trigger off the ability. It is what I call the "psychic mirror" The cards are the mirror and they reflect the subconcious and concious mind of the client back to me. It is not a clear mirror. It is like looking through frosted glass. You can see glimpses but you can't see everything. I would suggest getting a book on the Tarot called "Tarotmania" by Jan Woudhuysen which will explain the concept. Although the book is probably out of print by now I believe you can read it free online.
The other book I would thoroughly recommend in line with this work is not a metaphysical or divination book. It is called "On Becoming a Counsellor" by Eugene Kennedy. People do not come to you for a reading for "entertainment" or "fun". They come when things are not quite right in their lives. This book will help you deal with this and will help you to become a counsellor to yourself as you need to be doing this work. It was originally written for non-professional counsellors such as social workers, clergy etc; I will admit the author would probably be quite surprised that his work is recommended for psychis (or if you prefer, tarot card readers). |
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
Psychic.....Nonphysical of or pertaining to the mind or spirit apparently able to respond to nonphysical influences. A person able to act as a medium.
SO IT IS A MENTAL THING....Mediums may be psychic but not all psychics are mediums. Seems this is well within the scope of a Mentalist.. just like Corrinda,Mann, Annamann and the founders of mentalism claimed!
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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visionquest Regular user 140 Posts |
I am getting a distinct impression here that most of you are talking about short "entertainment" readings rather than serious sessions. Do any of you do serious 30 to 60 minute readings? I really don't consider 10 minutes full of vague "entertaining" waffle to be a serious reading. The psychic business has utterly nothing to do with the entertainment business except in those cases where you are booked at an event to just sit there and do brief readings. There is nothing wrong with this if that is all you are capable of or all you want to do but it really isn't advanced work even though it pays well.
I am not sure that magicians and mentalists know very much about this stuff although they talk about it a lot. Some of the literature I have seen on the subject is utter rubbish except that of Richard Webster. Let me emphasise that I am not referring to the work of anyone on this thread that has produced material. I am sure it is very good but I cannot comment or review it simply because I have not seen any of it. I am just referring to the material I have seen and I can only say it is utterly abysmal even though highly recommended by the blind leading the blind. It is difficult to judge the quality of other people's readings because one generally doesn't see much of it since the reading is for the client. However, on the few occasions I have heard tapes or been able to experience a reading by a magician/mentalist it has been very ineffective indeed. They seem to regard it as something which is not quite real and almost a trick. This does not make for effective, compassionate, sensitive, genuine metaphysical sessions. You are not there to "amaze" people. You are there to "help" them. Readers who come from a magic or mentalism background seem to lean towards the former rather than the latter. If I can give any advice on how to do this properly I will if anyone asks. I don't think they will though. Still, the sharp ones might. If they do I will respond. If they don't I think my part in this discussion will cease. No point trying to educate the unwilling. |
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kambiz Inner circle Perth, down by the cool of the pool 1129 Posts |
Hey visionquest, my wife and I do one hour reading sessions regularly, we are involved in counseling too, and we use prayer as a means for our readings. I would like to know if my question about prayer is going to be answered or do you pick and choose whose questions you choose to answer?
I will not ever divulge how my wife goes about her readings as it is and will always remain her way, but if you are going to be very giving on this matter, which you, outwardly seeming at least, seem to be hinting towards, I would be keen to hear your answer to my question Kam
If I speak forth, many a mind will shatter,
And if I write, many a pen will break. .....and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay! |
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visionquest Regular user 140 Posts |
If a question is a sincere one and not one with a negative agenda behind it then I am happy to answer it. I will indeed reply to it if I see enough interest from others who do readings. If people who do not do readings ask then I am reluctant to answer. This particular question makes me nervous because it could end up in a big religious discussion and the resulting dissension which I do not consider helpful. As I have already stated my technique has nothing to do with religion and can indeed be used by atheists who will probably do a better job with it. In any event I don't think truly religious people are going to want to do readings in the first place and if they do I wonder about the quality of those readings as I think they may well be unduly influenced by the belief system in question. I believe religion (as opposed to prayer) should be kept out of psychic readings.
Incidentally, since you come from Perth do you know Ray Haddad? |
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kambiz Inner circle Perth, down by the cool of the pool 1129 Posts |
Yes I know Ray although I haven't seen him for some time
Kam
If I speak forth, many a mind will shatter,
And if I write, many a pen will break. .....and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay! |
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