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Joshua Lozoff Inner circle Chapel Hill, NC 1332 Posts |
Does anyone do this with just a loose pack of cards and strong audience management. I haven't yet, but am considering (after demonstrating how) having the spectators dribble the cards down from one hand to the other and stop where they want and look at the face card in the upper portion. Foolish?
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edwardsausagefingers Regular user I thunk, therefore I erm... 177 Posts |
I wouldn't say foolish but you're asking for trouble, I think. Risky and unnecessary. Some spectators can barely manage a cut, let alone a flourish.
Plus it would slow down proceedings as you wait for each spectator to re-box the deck before they toss it to someone else. The rubber band makes perfect sense for TOD. |
ringmaster Inner circle Memphis, Down in Dixie 1974 Posts |
The TOD takes audience management skills and it is still risky. David Hoy was a great showman in the ITGD tradition. Why ask for more trouble ?
One of the last living 10-in-one performers. I wanted to be in show business the worst way, and that was it.
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Joshua Lozoff Inner circle Chapel Hill, NC 1332 Posts |
Good thoughts. Yes, I wouldn't have it tossed to someone else if it wasn't banded. Ha. I've always thought of the tossing as an excuse for the rubber band, rather than an elegant or entertaining or effective way to pass the deck from one person to another. We'll see if I have the guts to try it. If so, I'll let you know...
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MickNZ Special user Auckland, New Zealand 576 Posts |
It also gives a reason why they have to prise the deck open to glimpse a card, which would be illogical with a non-banded deck - you'd simply ask a spectator to fan through and remember a card.
If you like the effect of the Hoy trick but don't like the method, consider Osterlind's Radar Deck, no rubber band and you're simply spreading the cards out in front of the spectators. It's not hands-off though. All depends on what you're going for |
Cosmo Solano Elite user Colorado 410 Posts |
Personally I love risk in magic, IF it's used as a tool to make the effect stronger! If the effect is taken to a new level (not attainable without the risk) you'll work out how to make it sure fire, but likely not without some failure along the way!
I do an effect where several audience members take small packs of cards as they pass around the deck, (my hands "off" the deck) and if they were to look at their cards early I would be SCREWED! (not to mention embarrassed!) So far I've NEVER been caught, but it's due to working out the management in detail before hand. Mr. Sausagefingers makes a good point, asking them to dribble the cards is asking them to drop them, turn them over etc. There's a difference between good audience management and too many instructions. People also tend to get nervous or feel on the spot in front of others and become clumsy(er)so there's that uncontrollable risk as well! Again it's really a matter of if the risk provides enough reward, is there a REALLY good reason for it, or is it just something being done to serve ourselves? Tossed out deck the classic way is hard to beat if presented well. |
MickNZ Special user Auckland, New Zealand 576 Posts |
Failure is fine, unless you're at a gig being paid to impress people
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ringmaster Inner circle Memphis, Down in Dixie 1974 Posts |
Fifty-two pick-up.
One of the last living 10-in-one performers. I wanted to be in show business the worst way, and that was it.
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Daz Buckley Elite user Australia 469 Posts |
The premise used by Gazzo ( if I remember correctly ) is so he is unable to manipulate the cards. It is used as a convincer, and as such is a good legitimiser for the use of bands. I perform it with bands and wouldn't consider it without. It would then be a passed out deck and would change the feel of the routine.
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Alan Munro Inner circle Kentwood, Michigan, USA 5952 Posts |
When I hand a deck out to be shuffled, laymen often drop a card or two. I'd hate to think of what would happen if they have to do an unfamiliar action, like dribbling.
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MAGIC325 Regular user 157 Posts |
Too risky.
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RyanAdams Regular user 104 Posts |
The elastic band is more than justified, so it makes sense to have it....so why wouldn't you?
I like the idea of trying to eliminate the need for this but it's not necessary. You may aswell just force three cards if your not using a band! |
Hofi New user 55 Posts |
I start within a 3 phase TOD Routine having the cards hold together with rubber bands ... as soon as I give the deck away to a spectator on stage (withIN the 2nd phase) a put the rubber band around. The third phase is the TOD part .. the cards already have the rubber band around ;-)
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nonvpro Inner circle 1844 Posts |
Risky at best. Myself, I wouldn't attempt it.
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