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Vayron Loyal user Belgium 229 Posts |
I agree with Harry on this one. The original is not always the best. Sometimes but not always.
What's wrong ? many things. The deck can't be shuffled by the spectator, why do we need four piles ? 2 is just enough. Why dealing the whole deck ? Why a switch at the worst moment of the routine ? I don't says that Curry's trick is bad. I've done it a few times and it killed people. But it can be improved. |
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jmvives Regular user 117 Posts |
Impromptu, 1/2 deck, OOTW plus, (Paul Curry, Lorayne, Colombini, Ammar) in Easy To Master Card Miracles vol.9 is my favourite. I love it. Try it, you won't regret it.
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Bosco J. Elite user New York 462 Posts |
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On 2012-04-12 09:09, jmvives wrote: Agreed. Here are some "selling" points with this one. - It can use a borrowed, incomplete deck. - Audience shuffles any way they desire before the effect begins. - Can be presented as an intuition effect with a prediction kicker ending (optional) - Does not require to run through the entire deck. - Depending on presentation, can incorporate a lot of audience participation. - No prep whatsoever. Totally impromptu. Definitely worth checking out. Bosco |
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Mr. Mystoffelees Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3623 Posts |
My fav at the moment is Jim Critchlow's White Star...
Also known, when doing rope magic, as "Cordini"
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Vincero Veteran user New Zealand 379 Posts |
One of my favourite parts of Lorayne's impromptu version: spreading the remainder of the deck to show that it really is in a mixed condition. Bosco's list is spot on.
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mlippo Inner circle Trieste (Italy) 1227 Posts |
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On 2012-04-06 00:03, Richard Schneider wrote: I performed this more than once and it worked quite well. We could see it as a shorter and simple version of Lorayne's OOTU, I suppose. I don't know which one was devised first, though. Anyone? I'm taking advantage of your post to say that Bob Longe's books are a little mine of good self-working tricks and I recommend them. I bought four of them during a holiday in Canada in 2000. mlippo |
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
I don't know Bob Longe's version, so can't really comment on that aspect of this discussion. I can say that from Richard Schneider's short description, is sounds nothing at all like my OOTU. As for the question above - I first published my OOTU in Hugard's Magic Monthly in 1952 - Good Lord! Sixty years ago. Then also published it in Close-Up Card magic - that's fifty years ago! I perform/teach it on one of the DVDs of my 4-volume DVD set - that's probably about twenty years ago. When was Bob Longe's version published? Best - HL.
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Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts |
Bob Longe version is in his "World's Best Card Tricks" (published in1992), and it is named 'Get Out of this World'.
The main diffrence from other impromputu versions of 'OOTW' is that Longe separate reds from blacks in the beginning of performance. I like many of Longe's creations, but I don't like this one. Separating reds from blacks in front of audience is ridiculous. Hideo Kato |
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
I guess that answers the above question as to which was "devised first." OOTW has only 42 years on the Longe item which, again, has absolutely nothing to do with my OOTU. Do some research, guys. HL.
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
Where I said "OOTW" above, I obviously meant my OOTU. Sorry. Separating reds and blacks in front of the audience? Please. Please don't in any way, shape, manner or form compare something like that to my OOTU. Please. Do some research, guys.
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Bandaloop Regular user Dodging attacks for the past 195 Posts |
I'm surprised Steve Draun's version hasn't been brought up in this thread.
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Larry Barnowsky Inner circle Cooperstown, NY where bats are made from 4770 Posts |
You may want to check out:
Look to the Cards, Refresh, and ESP Duel are all in The Book of Destiny. ESP Duel uses a gaffed deck which the spectator can shuffle. The other two effects use a regular deck and allow some spectator shuffling. Alignment of Colors at Montauk Point uses a regular deck and can be found in Kingdom of the Red Larry |
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WillStagner New user 15 Posts |
You might want to check out the OOTW from The Process by Andrew Gerard. The presentation is great. Also, not strictly OOTW, but Dunn's Deal from TA is also very good.
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The Burnaby Kid Inner circle St. John's, Canada 3158 Posts |
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On 2012-04-14 12:37, Bandaloop wrote: It's one that's always at the back of my mind when thinking about which OOTW strategies are good or not. I was a huge fan of it initially, and while I still think of it fondly (due to the final display being a single line, and the overall briskness of the routine itself), the fact that you have to do a move without much in the way of misdirection is a bit troublesome for me, at least in theory. Even if we can successfully argue that the four-pile approach makes for a less-pure version of the ideal illustration of the effect, it does allow for at least one truly hands-off revelation of a fair separation, which is enough of a surprise to offer the misdirection needed to effectively complete the revelation. Then again, I never perform OOTW, so what the heck do I know about it...
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Roger Kelly Inner circle Kent, England 3332 Posts |
Andrew Murray's DVD "Thirteen" has a good take on OOTW and nicely deals with the half way switch thingamajig. Its the one I've been using and is impromptu enough. In fact any dirty work is done right in front of their faces! Neat
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Alan Wheeler Inner circle Posting since 2002 with 2038 Posts |
The switchless reveal at the end of OOTW on Andrew Murray's DVD "Thirteen" reminds me of the ending of Bob Longe's in _World's Best Card Tricks_. I enjoy the elegant simplicity if the switchless reveal!
"Outstanding" is a fantastic stand-up version by Roberto Mansilla. It is not impromptu (FASDIU) and switchless, however, as are the Murray and Longe versions.
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Ross W Inner circle UK 1779 Posts |
The book, Best Of All Worlds (Magic Apple) contains virtually all the variations mentioned here. It's a great read. BUT....having read the lot, I still do Paul Curry's original! Lazy? Nope: none of them is especially difficult to learn, or tricky sleight-wise (well, maybe one or two) it's just that in ironing out one problem, you often simply replace it with another.
For example, the original OOTW does not allow the spectator to shuffle the deck at the start. Harry L's impromptu version does. BUT, then the magician must do most of the dealing - a drawback the original does not have. Both are terrific, but neither is "perfect". Nor is any trick , for that matter - then we'd be doing real magic! And Harry's right: OOTU is not strictly a variation of OOTW: it's a completely different effect, really - although the overall outcome ("the reds and blacks are separated") is similar enough that you wouldn't want to present them in the same programme. Well, maybe you would - who am I to say?! |
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Ross W Inner circle UK 1779 Posts |
The book, Best Of All Worlds (Magic Apple) contains virtually all the variations mentioned here. It's a great read. BUT....having read the lot, I still do Paul Curry's original! Lazy? Nope: none of them is especially difficult to learn, or tricky sleight-wise (well, maybe one or two) it's just that in ironing out one problem, you often simply replace it with another.
For example, the original OOTW does not allow the spectator to shuffle the deck at the start. Harry L's impromptu version does. BUT, then the magician must do most of the dealing. Both are terrific, but neither is "perfect". Nor is any trick , for that matter - then we'd be doing real magic! And Harry's right: OOTU is not strictly a variation of OOTW: it's a completely different effect, really - although the overall outcome ("the reds and blacks are separated") is similar enough that you wouldn't want to present them in the same programme. Well, maybe you would - who am I to say?! |
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mlippo Inner circle Trieste (Italy) 1227 Posts |
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On 2012-04-14 02:26, mlippo wrote: When I wrote this I was relying on my memory. And that's something I should never do ... So when I read Hideo's post I was sure I'd messed up since his remarks on the Cafè are always interesting, precise and on the spot. And obviously he was right! So: Hideo: Thank you for spotting my mistake Harry: I apologise: your OOTU is definately something different from Longe's effect and undoubtedly much much stronger. Anyway, I confirm that I did perform, in the past Longe's effect and had good reactions from laymen. So it's not that bad after all. mlippo |
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Magic-Scott Veteran user 310 Posts |
Galaxy - Paul Harris
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