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Roslyn
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Posted: May 16, 2012 6:45am
Hi guys and gals,
As most here will know I perform the sj escape quite a bit. I've got a new two-man show and I'm looking for a version of the sj that could pass as a medieval restraint.
I'm not really that bothered if its historically accurate. I just want it to look old and pass as if it could've been used back then.
To get a feel of the show click here for the show's poster. I hope you like it.
Cheers,
Ros
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Harley Newman
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Posted: May 16, 2012 9:53am
If I recall correctly, SJs were invented near Marseilles, in the early 1600s. It's accurate if you say it is.
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Cliffg37
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Posted: May 16, 2012 9:55am
Hmm, can't help you with the jacket, but I am wondering... don't you two live like 4000 miles apart? Where is this show happening?
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Roslyn
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Posted: May 16, 2012 10:06am
LOL.... I wish I was performing with "our" Harley. Now that would be a learning experience and a half!!
Although the Harley I've teamed up with does work as a clown too. Hmmmm.... spooky!
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Harley Newman
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Posted: May 16, 2012 11:40am
I can count on one hand how many clown shows I've done in the last ten years. Once, it seemed less lucrative, so I drifted away from it. But I miss the slapstick, and I'm building a new act from scratch, using another of my long-ago passions...bassoon.
Working with Ros would be a treat.
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Steve_Mollett
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Posted: May 16, 2012 8:43pm
I would go with something like an Australian/Tom Horn Belt, Trudel Spiderweb or Trudel Torture Harness.
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Roslyn
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Posted: May 20, 2012 4:26pm
Not sorted the SJ yet.. I like the idea of Tom Horn/Spiderweb/Harness I'll look into those. Used to do Tom Horn years ago but never really got on with it. Maybe I should pay it another visit.
The first outing for Pyrate Circus was a massive success though and is a show we're going to continue to work on.
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Harley Newman
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Posted: May 20, 2012 8:11pm
In your selected time frame, many crazy folks were put on boats, to act as crew. Hence, the term "ship of fools". Perhaps you could find more reference to it, because some would most certainly have required occasional restraint.
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dave_matkin
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Posted: May 21, 2012 2:33pm
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On 2012-05-16 09:55, Cliffg37 wrote:
Hmm, can't help you with the jacket, but I am wondering... don't you two live like 4000 miles apart? Where is this show happening?
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that would be a hell of a metamorphosis.
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Harley Newman
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Posted: May 21, 2012 7:00pm
What, Dave? You don't like your friends taking a bath?
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Steve_Mollett
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Posted: May 21, 2012 7:28pm
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On 2012-05-20 16:26, Roslyn wrote:
Not sorted the SJ yet.. I like the idea of Tom Horn/Spiderweb/Harness I'll look into those. Used to do Tom Horn years ago but never really got on with it. Maybe I should pay it another visit.
The first outing for Pyrate Circus was a massive success though and is a show we're going to continue to work on.
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The Spiderweb would look particulary appropriate. The new edition of the Encyclopedia of Escapes gives a good description of it. I based the "Madhouse Harness" I use in my shows on the Trudel Spiderweb design.
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Harley Newman
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Posted: May 21, 2012 10:43pm
Often, lunacy was seen as possession, though over time, it was seen more as a disease. Treatment was far more humane in Islamic areas than in Christian, these being the two major Euro influences of the Middle Ages. (In other places, crazy folks were often seen as intermediaries between man and gods.)
Exorcism, confession, music, trepanning, bloodletting, torture, purges, dunking, and whipping were sometime treatments. Chains of iron have long been seen as appropriate for restraining demons. Manacles were also common. For some people, the belief about not suffering a witch to live, was prevalent...demon possession defined the witch. Death was the cure.
Some European cities had "witch towers" and "fool towers", as places of incarceration. The earlier asylums tended to be run by monks. State sponsored social services were initiated by Henry VIII of England, who made "natural fools" wards of the state. "Naturals" were the folks we'd now call "insane", "developmentally disabled", or in the sideshow style, "freaks".
If you want to do a medieval SJ, it won't be accurate. Here's an article that pictures some of the later developments in treatment. You'll get some interesting ideas from it: http://www.behavioral.net/article/confronting-chaos
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jay leslie
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Posted: May 22, 2012 2:06pm
Harley
My brother agrees with you 100 percent except, I don't have a brother, but somehow he thinks he does.
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Steve_Mollett
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Posted: May 22, 2012 7:07pm
Nothing you come up with will be truly "period," but since you're simply going for THE LOOK, you have a great deal of latitude.
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Roslyn
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Posted: May 23, 2012 2:11am
Thanks guys. This stuff, as always, is a great help.
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bostonzero
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Posted: Jul 30, 2012 1:42pm
Harley, that link is great. Disturbing to an extent, but facinating at the same time! Thanks for sharing!
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dave_matkin
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Posted: Jul 30, 2012 4:55pm
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On 2012-07-30 13:42, bostonzero wrote:
Harley, that link is great. Disturbing to an extent, but facinating at the same time! Thanks for sharing!
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A lot f what Harley posts is "great....... Disturbing .....and ..... Fascinating". ..... You just try nd soak it up.
Read the trickster books he recommends!
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Steve_Mollett
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Posted: Jul 31, 2012 6:31pm
Richard Sherry has produced a new "Medieval Straitjacket"; a steel straitjacket with chainmail sleeves.
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The absurd is the essential concept and the first truth.
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Harley Newman
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Posted: Jul 31, 2012 9:03pm
Thanks, Dave! I'm a fount of otherwise useless information. The only other profession I could be in, is academia. Fortunately, I'm honest.
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dave_matkin
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Posted: Aug 1, 2012 3:16am
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On 2012-07-31 21:03, Harley Newman wrote:
Thanks, Dave! I'm a fount of otherwise useless information. The only other profession I could be in, is academia. Fortunately, I'm honest.
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And want paying!
Dave “SPARKY” Matkin
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MichaelDeutsch
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Posted: Sep 3, 2012 6:47am
Hello. have any of you experience with blackcat magic in UK. I have ordered and paid for the order and not received after a very long time. and they do not answer emails. as a warning
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dave_matkin
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Posted: Sep 3, 2012 8:17am
Try the Blackcatmagic uk thread.  lol
You must be happy (not lol at this bit).
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