Derek Dingle and Paul Harris seem to think a Triumph with an odd backed card is worth creating.

Then again, I know Paul Harris had a compelling way to frame it as a more than just an effect where the selected card changes not or turns out to be different color...

I think if you are going to add a colour changing element to a triumph routine, go with the whole deck changing colour except for their card, rather than the other way round...much more impressive.

Still, don't think either is an improvement over a triumph done normally.

Well, I'm of that opinion too. I think a lot of Cardguys put things like this in because THEY like it, not because the audience likes it. Having said that though, I don't have a problem with people doing it. Sometimes pure creativity is the the end goal for guys. It's what they get out of Sleight of Hand. And that creativity can help everyone.

SEY

In regards to the previous comments, when I do a regular Triumph, I don't force a card, nor do I ask them to sign it. I only ask for the sign when I do this effect, which would have to be forced.

The effect isn't intended to replace Triumph in my routines, it is meant to be a completely different trick, that I would decided which to use based on the given circumstances. It isn't something I would do in a restaurant, because if someone at another table sees another group signing the card, then they will expect to sign as well.

I absolutely concur with this. It's the approach Harris took.

Makes sense, it is a very powerful piece. I was interested in the worker perspective, because I also felt it kicks hard enough without any additional frippery.

I can imagine the additional kicker (color changing back) can astonish audience, but I believe it decreases the effectiveness of Triumph effect.

I remember Maskelyn cautioned about "double climax".

However, I think there are some other tricks in which color changing kicker works very well. For example, I am struggling if this kicker ending works well in Ambitious routine.

Hideo Kato

If I was going to force an odd backed card for triumph,i would finish the triumph without showing the odd back to get the most out of triumph.
Then say you will repeat it(using another of many methods).

This time when the deck is spread all the cards are face down,with one odd backed card seen in the center.
Pause and dramatically turn over the the now odd backed signed card.
So the spectator goes from WOW that's my card,to NO WAY that's my card!?!?
But it is!
Seems to me,this would make the color change a much more powerful moment.

Just thinking how I might handle it,but of course,to each his own.

If you know color stunner from Paul Harris,you could simply place the double face down in the center of the face up deck holding a break above them and do that handling displacing the signed card in the center(up the ladder) and leaving the cover card where it is,then flip the deck but don't spread the last few cards(no need for side jogging if that helps).

Best to you and your audience,

S

Good idea!

Hideo Kato

Yeah, now that's good.

Okidoki, here's the routine now:

Top card is double-backed blue, second card is forced red-backed card. Perform triumph normally, place face up cards beneath second card from the top. Correct order, spread the deck, they see their signed card face up. Wait for things to settle, cut the deck above the face up card and put that pile on top, so the double backed card is beneath the signed card. Next step has two options:

1. Double turnover, leaving the selected card second from the top with double back on top. Push forward both cards as a double, and pull back the top card as the deck is tilted upward to show the face. Grab the card, put it in the middle of the deck in front of their eyes and spread to reveal it has changed it's back.

OR

2 (My preferred method). Just grab the face up selected card from the top of the deck, and do Vernon's tilt to place it FACE UP second from the top. Double lift, Shapeshifter change to say that your card desires to be different, and so it has changed it's color. Place cards down (double backed beneath, leaving you clean. Turn over red card to reveal that it is indeed their signed card.