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Zombie Magic
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I went out for a beer and now have
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Posted: Jun 16, 2012 8:52pm
I was just reading Lee Asher's Three Stylin' ad and Lee says "
"No matter where you live, color crosses language barriers. Without color, you have just another standard coin effect. Standard coin magic lacks depth. Depth, in coin magic, can be difficult to visually translate. Without depth, the effect is lost. Color makes it easy to distinguish between objects.
That's a very interesting opinion. In real life performing, I can't say I'd disagree with that. Maybe that's why Chris Kenner says 3 Fly has to be done with silver dollars, because the smaller coins can't really be seen.
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John T Cox
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Posted: Jun 16, 2012 9:09pm
Greg Wilson's three quarters across is awesome. It is more awesome because you can borrow the three quarters and it happens right in front of their faces. The depth thing sounds more like Marketing doodah to me than a real assessment. Next thing you know they will be saying that Card magic is better than coin magic because there are 52 of them and they have numbers and pictures on them...
The real magic is family!
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Al Schneider
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A corn field, WI
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Posted: Jun 16, 2012 9:48pm
This is absurd, unless the only people you perform for are magicians on the internet.
Sad to say, this is the real world for most magicians today.
A table hopping friend tells me he does not understand what magicians go on and on about.
When he walks up to a table, he just flips a coin into his hand and makes it disappear.
He uses a standard sleight.
The people (laymen) go gaga.
He doesn't event say anything.
I can only guess the people that need color and flash are the people entertaining children on You Tube.
Al Schneider
There is only one absolute truth.
That is that we do not know the absolute truth.
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magicalaurie
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Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Jun 16, 2012 10:32pm
Here's a link to the add. http://www.leeasher.com/store/tricks/three_stylin.html
What does he mean by "depth" really, and how is he contributing more of it? I think the ad concept itself might lack depth, FWIW. 
" 'Now that Texas Hold-‘Em and the WORLD SERIES OF POKER have taken everyone by storm, poker chips have become a common household item. You need to be topical - you will benefit by linking what goes on in the world with your magic. '
- Lee Asher"
"Within all of us there is an elusive melody which, when heard and followed, leads to the fulfillment of our fondest dreams," Siegfried & Roy
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todsky
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Montreal, Canada
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Posted: Jun 16, 2012 10:51pm
He‘s saying that colour discs are easier to tell apart from a distance because you can distinguish their depth from one another, while 3 silver coins might not be as distinguishable from each other. He‘s not saying that standard coin magic is not profound. However, the depth issue is not an issue in close-up work.
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Zombie Magic
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Posted: Jun 17, 2012 3:24am
Lee said "coin magic". He didn't isolate it to just 3 fly from a distance.
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J-Mac
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Posted: Jun 17, 2012 6:06am
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On 2012-06-17 03:24, Zombie Magic wrote:
Lee said "coin magic". He didn't isolate it to just 3 fly from a distance.
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Yes, but the ad is in the context of that particular program. Nowhere else does he comment on "coin magic" as a whole. The ad appears to be speaking only to his program there. At least that's how I read it.
Jim
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magicalaurie
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Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Jun 17, 2012 10:53am
Well, I suspected that he meant to address field of depth/depth perception issues, Jim, but the ad type is a little ambiguous.
"No matter where you live, color crosses language barriers. Without color, you have just another standard coin effect. Standard coin magic lacks depth."
Add to that the mention of Texas Hold 'Em Poker as a world event that's taken "everyone" by storm, and that we'd be wise to beware of, and you understand what we're getting at.
"Within all of us there is an elusive melody which, when heard and followed, leads to the fulfillment of our fondest dreams," Siegfried & Roy
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Atom3339
Inner circle
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Posted: Jun 17, 2012 12:02pm
NOT good, NOT smart ad copy; IMO.
TH
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Mb217
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Posted: Jun 17, 2012 12:19pm
Perhaps, but Asher has been selling that effect for a good long while and did well with it, I remember when it first came out. Not so sure if he cares so much about it being "smart" as he does about it being catchy and effective. It has clearly caught the eye of some here to debate it but long after 3 Styling has been made available and popularized. Most coin workers won't discuss this to this length (not to mention many have had this for years, especially a lot of 3 Fly buffs) and will be more in to the actual effect, and not letting it affect their overall use of regular coins one bit.
Asher was a child prodigy in magic and became a pretty good marketer of his effects and has been cleverly doing this for a good while now. This is just marketing. I totally agree with JT Cox on this one. He's much more of a regarded card guy than coins and seemingly wanted to make his alternative use of poker chips (soft ones) for the 3 Fly effect just as exciting or perhaps even moreso. Looks like he went that far and then some to make that point. And clearly the point "lacks depth" if you have any at all. 
Funny, I remember in the trick that only one chip is the focus or ever actually travels (red?), or something like that I think. That would to me kill his point about coins basically all looking the same and not showing any variety in the effect, that is as to depth of meaning. Only one chip flies back & forth across, if I'm not mistaken. So yeah, what he said really don't mean much of nothing.  The effect does stand on it's own in that it is a thoughtful/creative alternative to using actual coins as done in the classic effect.
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"Not much new under the sun I hear but under the moon, well who knows, that just might be a horse of a different color." -Mb
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harris
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Harris Deutsch
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Posted: Jun 18, 2012 3:20pm
Reading books outside of technique have helped this nearly normal guy. One author that the magic world would recognize is Sankey's Zen and the Monologue.(or something like that)
As someone who worked out of the Reno area for many years, I can see the appeal to some of poker chips.
Folks used to get a bit perturbed when I built castles out of my poker chip winnings. Similar to the folks that didn't like my color coded paper clips in my drawer. Back in the early 80's I had some interesting creations made out of the brass tokens used at gaming tables.
I can also see the appeal of doing coin moves with Ritz Crackers and Oreos...Can you say "Sugar-bound" with apologies to the creator of "Spell bound".
Harris
who at times prefers the shallow end of his brain and personality....
and still 2 old to know everything....
Harris Deutsch
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Gary Kosnitzky
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Posted: Jun 19, 2012 9:46am
Food for thought-
Mickey Silver always entertains at Poker tournaments and never uses chips.
Otherwise his name would be Mickey Chips.
Gary Kosnitzky
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harris
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Harris Deutsch
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Posted: Jun 19, 2012 10:07am
I think I will name one of my puppets "Potatoe" as in Potatoe Chips.
or perhaps...marked coins to Mr. Potatoe Head.
Harris
with another random coin thought
Harris Deutsch
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magicalaurie
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Posted: Jun 19, 2012 11:23am
I have a poker chip with Mickey Silver's name on it.
But then there is this:
And of course, there's this, I have to add this :
"Within all of us there is an elusive melody which, when heard and followed, leads to the fulfillment of our fondest dreams," Siegfried & Roy
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bishthemagish
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Posted: Jun 19, 2012 12:49pm
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On 2012-06-16 21:48, Al Schneider wrote:
This is absurd, unless the only people you perform for are magicians on the internet.
Sad to say, this is the real world for most magicians today.
A table hopping friend tells me he does not understand what magicians go on and on about.
When he walks up to a table, he just flips a coin into his hand and makes it disappear.
He uses a standard sleight.
The people (laymen) go gaga.
He doesn't event say anything.
I can only guess the people that need color and flash are the people entertaining children on You Tube.
Al Schneider
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I agree.
Just a few thoughts and opinion.
Glenn Bishop - Bish The Magish!
Magician, Card Sharp and Master Hypnotist.
http://glennbishopmagicandcards.blogspot.com
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vinsmagic
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Posted: Jun 19, 2012 1:38pm
Laurie you are still favorite female masgician chips or no chips
vinny
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Mb217
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Posted: Jun 19, 2012 1:38pm
Great pics Laurie, with some of my favorite folks...Now this is real depth.
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"Not much new under the sun I hear but under the moon, well who knows, that just might be a horse of a different color." -Mb
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Mb217
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Posted: Jun 19, 2012 1:48pm
Here's another magi with a lot of depth - Mano Tejeda.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExSoeHh5S0M&feature=youtu.be
We weren't in Vegas like you guys but the next best thing if you're way out there is right here, on Times Square in New York City. Glad the Godfather Vinny and Mano let me hang out with them and learn a thing or two at the big tables.
Chips Ahoy!
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"Not much new under the sun I hear but under the moon, well who knows, that just might be a horse of a different color." -Mb
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harris
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Harris Deutsch
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Posted: Jun 20, 2012 8:53am
Last night I was digging through some old books and found my Dr. Sawa stuff. The intro compares and contrast 2 magicians. Dr. Sawa and Larry Jennings. They were both had a lot of passion and creativity. Their stature and personality both on and off stage were quite different. The magical arts has lots of room,(weight and depth) for a wide range of artist.
My own presentations have changed. My persona both on and off stage has changed.
Harris
"Art" (Carney) is in the eye of the beholder
Harris Deutsch
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Atom3339
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Posted: Jun 20, 2012 10:31am
Harris, That is so important to remind newbies!
TH
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Angel1998
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Ho Chi Minh City,Vietnam
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Posted: Jun 20, 2012 1:40pm
This is one important thing for beginner with coins !!! I should read this topic carefully.
"Learn, learn more, learn forever"
Lenin
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Mb217
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Posted: Jun 23, 2012 12:30pm
Maybe an aside, but that's how I'm feeling today... You might've heard about the passing this week of world famous sports artist, Leroy Neiman in NYC. He was very good friend and one of God's great masterpieces as to the subject of humanity. He creatively illustrated everything as to sports in a way unlike any others out there, he was unique. He also loved magic and would routinely say to me whenever we saw each other ringside or about town, "Boykin, what you got for me today" with a boyish BIG grin and a mustache & cigar to match. (Only my pal famed fight writer Bert Sugar -Also recently deceased- could match the size of his cigar and matched his grand mustache with his ever-present big newsman fedora hat. Real life NYC). I will miss him deeply, so will the world. A true master whose life and works were absolutely magical. RIP.
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"Not much new under the sun I hear but under the moon, well who knows, that just might be a horse of a different color." -Mb
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pabloinus
Inner circle
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Posted: Jun 23, 2012 12:43pm
I heard about his passing in NPR, very nice things were said about him and his paints, Ali, Golden Bear and others
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Atom3339
Inner circle
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Posted: Jun 23, 2012 5:54pm
Marion, Nice goatee!
I like the circles you travel in.
What you got for us today?
TH
Occupy Your Dream
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Mb217
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V.I.P. ;)
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Posted: Jun 24, 2012 8:35am
Yeah, those were the days. I remember at that fight LeRoy sat right behind me at ringside sketching the moments and excitement, and always watching me coin roll a half dollar back and forth. I'd look back every so often and he'd be staring at me smiling and just shaking his head. Sitting with him were writers, Joyce Carol Oates and Norman Mailer that night (big fight fans), behind them was Mayor Rudy Giuliani and a few seats away was the Dapper Don, John Gotti. Perhaps folks might've heard of some of these? What a cross section in the cross roads of the world, NYC on a big fight night - Absolutely magical!
Hope people take the time to look here about LeRoy Neiman, he was one of America's, one of the world's greatest artists, human beings and my friend. A presence and spirit spread around the world.
http://www.leroyneiman.com/leroy-neiman-biography.asp
*Check out my latest Crimp Change - REDUX! and other fine magic at www.vinnymarini.com
"Not much new under the sun I hear but under the moon, well who knows, that just might be a horse of a different color." -Mb
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Alan Munro
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Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA
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Posted: Jun 24, 2012 1:54pm
I remember performing a show last year at a hospital and there was a serigraph of Neiman's "Bistro Garden", just outside the room where I was performing. What has always impressed my about many of his works is that although they appear abstract, up close, they show a great deal of detail from a distance. I always wondered how he was able to do that. In "Bistro Garden", the facial expressions and postures were expressed in more detail than a photograph was capable of. That's magic!
http://www.sneakymagician.com/
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