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Dogsbody_D
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UK
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Posted: Aug 14, 2012 6:55pm
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On 2012-08-14 02:43, Sean Giles wrote:
I have a subtlety that I believe negates backtracking and strengthens the effect. I'll see if Tom minds me passing it onto those that have purchased.
Best
Sean
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I'd be most interested in hearing this too.
When dealing with mentalist effects, it's the subtleties and handling that seems to be the most important part. I'd have liked to have seen a couple more unedited performances on the SERIAL download to really help inspire confidence in different situations. I'd still like to! 
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AutarchicFlux
New user
61 Posts
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Posted: Aug 14, 2012 8:32pm
I agree with the other commenters in that to feel confident spending money on this effect, I'd need to see a full performance video. Having the video edited in such a way that the procedure the spectators witness is not available for scrutiny makes me worry about how widely applicable the method will be. Some spectators pick up more easily than others on effects which are procedural in nature, or which rely on glimpsing. I'll wait to see some more complete performance videos before picking this one up.
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Dogsbody_D
New user
UK
48 Posts
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Posted: Aug 15, 2012 6:40pm
I already have bought this effect, and I'm fine with the trailer as it is. I am saying I'd have liked some more full, unedited performances included in the download. The teaching is really good, I'd just like to see it applied in a couple more situations.
The trouble with a lot of mentalism is that you can't practice it on your own in the mirror until it's perfect, you can only do it "live". You can rehears the patter I suppose...
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Dogsbody_D
New user
UK
48 Posts
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Posted: Aug 22, 2012 12:13pm
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On 2012-08-14 02:43, Sean Giles wrote:
I have a subtlety that I believe negates backtracking and strengthens the effect. I'll see if Tom minds me passing it onto those that have purchased.
Best
Sean
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Have you spoken to Tom yet? I'd be very keen to hear any extra subtleties...
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Sean Giles
Inner circle
Cambridge/ UK
2005 Posts
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Posted: Aug 22, 2012 12:21pm
My Superman subtlety will be shared in the near future by Tom himself. 
best,
Sean
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Dogsbody_D
New user
UK
48 Posts
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Posted: Nov 22, 2012 4:19pm
Bugger.
David Meade did this effect on TV and then explicitly revealed the method.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01nw0yd/David_Meade_Make_Believe_Swindles/
He did say that he "lost a lot of money playing this at University" so he's saying it's an old swindling trick.
Any thoughts Tom?
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JackMagic
Elite user
435 Posts
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Posted: Nov 22, 2012 5:15pm
Worthless now it's been Exposed on TV !!
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Dogsbody_D
New user
UK
48 Posts
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Posted: Nov 22, 2012 5:16pm
Sorry, he says he WON a lot of money of course.
This was broadcast on BBC Northern Ireland, and is available online via BBC Iplayer.
This link will only work if you're in the UK, unless you're some kind of magician 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/i/b01nw0yd/?t=10m21s
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Dogsbody_D
New user
UK
48 Posts
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Posted: Nov 22, 2012 5:21pm
Hmm. I hope Tom Wright or David Penn don't blame *me* for exposing the method by posting that link.
I've seen quite a few David Meade shows on TV and he's done a lot of commercial material that I've been chuffed to already know about. However, this is the first time he's REVEALED something that I thought I had paid good money for.
Oh, magic. You and my wallet argue so much.
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Olympic Adam
Inner circle
1052 Posts
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Posted: Nov 22, 2012 5:53pm
He says he won and lost money,
I don't see the benefit of exposing something like that at all, not saying it is the strongest thing ever but there is no need to do that I think
while I love that there is a TV show from a fellow NI performer, I just can't stick it - I found it hard to sit through even the short bit about the bank note,
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Paul S Wingham
Special user
561 Posts
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Posted: Nov 22, 2012 6:11pm
I think its a moot point the trick being exposed. A) how many people in the uk will have seen this? B) the trick is so simple to reverse engineer, its irrelevent. I know people will say they wont and I'm sure some wont, but I bet tons do. Of course you've created that moment of wonder by then so it doesn't matter.
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Dogsbody_D
New user
UK
48 Posts
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Posted: Nov 23, 2012 5:15am
From THE TWITTERS
David Meade @DavidMeadeLive
"It's a fairly well known bar bet in uni's here. Someone's selling it? That's hilarious!"
"by the end if the year everyone in my course knew it/was doing it as a party piece. It's in public domain here."
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dp
Loyal user
221 Posts
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Posted: Nov 23, 2012 10:46am
Thank you guys for bringing this to our attention.
We would just like to first reiterate that Serial was an independent creation of Tom Wright with extra scripting by David Penn.
Whilst anyone can claim they came up with something independently and have been performing something for a long time, this seems like a stretch to us.
The scripting is almost identical.
The handling is almost identical.
If it is public domain and people have been performing it for years like Mr Mead has apparently said publically on his twitter, it should be easy for him to prove. And when we say prove, I don’t think a few of his mates saying they saw him do it, will really hold up.
Some people are so desperate for material for TV shows they will stoop to any level to fill air time and be a star, and some of them don’t wear masks.
Perhaps someone could post on Mr Mead’s Twitter and ask him if he is prepared to clear this up with a little more than hearsay for a defence.
We will give Mr Mead the chance to respond and then we will have to deal with this privately.
Thanks once again for bringing this to our attention.
David Penn and Tom Wright
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de rome
New user
UK/NORWAY
47 Posts
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Posted: Nov 23, 2012 11:34am
I was the person that sent David and Tom a Private video you tube link to the exposure.
as to tell you the truth when I saw David Meade perform it on TV I thought he did a great job with it, and totally had everyone in the audience baffled, THEN he ruined it by exposing the simple secret, The exposure did not add anything to the effect and actually cheapened the whole show, a real shame as It was not needed in this case.
also its not fair on all the magicians out there who have actually laid out good cash to learn it,
lucky its just on Irish TV and not mainstream TV, but still a shame that someone who has managed to get his own TV show, can come down so low and have to resort to exposure for no reason what so ever.
you will never find a better quality HEAT / HOTSPOT as mine anywhere else, ITS REALLY GOOD... here is a link to the effect
http://www.cdrmagic.com/heat.html
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boydy
Special user
Scotland
748 Posts
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Posted: Nov 23, 2012 2:34pm
Sad
"There are no limitations except those we set up in our own minds" Napoleon Hill
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Dogsbody_D
New user
UK
48 Posts
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Posted: Nov 23, 2012 10:45pm
It did seem similar in more ways than one... but my suspicions are not evidence.
I was gutted enough that the broadcast performance of the trick tipped the method before he exposed it totally...
It's a weird one, because there's plenty of strong material in his shows.
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Dogsbody_D
New user
UK
48 Posts
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Posted: Nov 23, 2012 11:04pm
If a mod wanted to remove the links I posted I woulnd't mind.
The links will expire on 11:04PM Wed, 12 Dec 2012 anyway.
(Can we not edit posts?)
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Olympic Adam
Inner circle
1052 Posts
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Posted: Nov 24, 2012 7:21am
It was northern Irish tv
If you show people enough like that they realise that his strange holding hands bit was all fake too- before long they are second guessing everything
I have never heard of it, coming from where the show is filmed - went to the local university, nobody has ever mentioned it or showed me it, nor had I heard of it in this fashion until the serial effect here
My question earlier in the thread about using our local bank notes didn't seem to hold either - a Bank of England £5 was used
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Dogsbody_D
New user
UK
48 Posts
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Posted: Nov 24, 2012 7:59am
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On 2012-11-23 10:46, dp wrote:
Perhaps someone could post on Mr Mead’s Twitter and ask him if he is prepared to clear this up with a little more than hearsay for a defence.
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Hey aren't you supposed to be using Twitter more? :-D ;-)
It's David Meade @DavidMeadeLive
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Dogsbody_D
New user
UK
48 Posts
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Posted: Nov 25, 2012 6:07am
Derren Brown has just promoted David Meade on the Twitters :-S David links to his iplayer show.
Oh wells, I'm sure most people who see it will forget how it's done anyway.
(I miss Simon Day's voiceover btw)
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Olympic Adam
Inner circle
1052 Posts
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Posted: Nov 25, 2012 9:55am
Apparently everyone already knows it anyway
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