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Jack Crafter New user Kent, England 62 Posts |
I really like that analogy Vlad . You've far better enunciated the idea I was trying to get across when I said "tricks" just imply trickery. They could just be viewed as a series of notes played at an audience. It's only when the notes are played as music that the experience is created. It's the same with turning card tricks into card magic. Without the emotional engagement created through presentation you're just displaying sleights and techniques and I feel that's what "card tricks" imply; just the deception with no real reason for the audience to care about or feel for what you're doing.
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R.E. Byrnes Inner circle 1206 Posts |
In fairness, those who make the trick/effect distinction are probably thinking along the lines of what Vlad sets out, and it's hard to dispute any of that. Few are as well read and articulate as Vlad is on these subjects, but that doesn't preclude sharing the same general views.
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
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On 2012-07-28 11:30, Larry Barnowsky wrote: Uncle Norman and people that call themselves magicians do card tricks. Magicians do "card magic". The "effect" is the "effect of magic" that is in the mind of the spectator or audience when a magician does his or her card magic well. And gives an entertaining performance that not only entertains but leaves the audience feeling - that magicians card magic could not have been done - other than "by magic". Just my opinion
Glenn Bishop Cardician
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Blindside785 Inner circle Olympia, WA 4541 Posts |
I'm surprised that this thread even started, a waste of space in my opinion.
It's all about how it is presented. For instance, if you went to your wife and just kissed her, there would barely be a response but a kiss back as it might be done everyday. On the other hand, if you dimmed the lights, had some candles for lighting, and gave your wife a kiss, it would have more of a reaction or effect. Possibly something more than just a quick kiss. A kiss is a kiss, but the time and effort put in the presentation makes all the effect and response happen. So if you think about card tricks, you can do them, to make them effect you need to put time and effort into the presentation or it will be dull. If you watched LOTR and they went straight to the point where the ring is finally destroyed, you would just say, "Meh." You have to see and experience the journey to care about what is really going on. In order for someone to care about the card trick you have to make them care about the characters, you, and the journey, your cards. Cards are just a means to an end, the journey that some may not care about, your personality and character presents the journey and makes the trick effective. |
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Magic Pierre Loyal user 212 Posts |
But if you *read* LOTR before seeing the movie, and then you saw the whole thing, you might still say "Meh"! ;-0
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jarro_2783 New user Sydney, Australia 56 Posts |
This is quite a discussion, I've enjoyed reading the posts here, although I haven't had time to read them all.
I'm getting the feeling that the general idea is that magic is an art form. Knowing the moves is like a painter knowing how to mix different colours together, but that doesn't mean that you can present good magic (or paint good looking pictures). You need everything, and the particular moves you do with the cards are really irrelevant compared to the rest of it. So when someone pulls out a deck of cards and puts too much emphasis on just the moves, the part where they fool you, or worse the part where they lose you by counting too many things, it lacks something. Maybe the problem is in pulling out the deck of cards. Maybe the magic starts before you pull out the deck of cards. Magicians need a reason for everything right? Maybe they also need a reason to even start the trick. That means that you can't just pull out a deck of cards and say "do you want to see a card trick?"
Jarryd Beck, Sydney, Australia
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1KJ Inner circle Warning: We will run out of new tricks in 4385 Posts |
Not to throw a wrench in here, but there is also a whole area of "card" magic that doesn't use "playing cards". For example, I have a single card in my pocket that looks like a "Bucket List". It is one of the most entertaining and mind-blowing routines with a single "card" that I do. I put it in one of my Bullseye Magic volumes if anyone is interested. I also do another routine that I developed that uses five very small "home-made cards" that also fit in my regular wallet. If anyone is interested in the "Bucket List" send me a PM for how to get Bullseye Magic and I'll send you my routine with home-made cards called "Is is really luck?" for freeeee.
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Bob G Inner circle 2830 Posts |
I decided not to read all 8 pages of this discussion, though I skimmed much of it, so I may be saying something that's already been said. But, as one who has been studying magic for only two years, I find cards just fascinating. Who would have thought that there was so much you can do with 54 pieces of cardboard? (Jokers are my favorite cards, so I'm including them.) To each his own, as Harry said, but I can't imagine that there aren't spectators who, once they've seen a few good tricks, won't fall in love with card magic. A deck of cards is a whole world of royalty, crooks, upright middle class citizens, and pranksters in a tiny space, all jostling each other like the inhabitants of London who Sherlock Holmes so liked to talk about. .
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