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porcupine
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This certainly has been a frustrating day....

Anyways... yeah, I bought Jim Pace's the Web from my local magic shop today. And after looking over the VERY brief and **** details, I have one question, and its gonna annoy me forever until I find the answer.

Does anyone know what the adhesive used in the trick is? The idea of using a trick which will eventually run out and having no idea where to get refills is really annoying. So if anyone knows what the adhesive is, or any adhesive that works as well as that, or where to get refills, please put your gracious ideas into text and press that wonderful post button on the bottom of the page.

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Hi Porcupine,
Just use double sided tape that you get from a newsagent.One roll will last for ages.I laminated the cards and I've had the same spider ever since the trick came out[many years ago]It,s a great trick,porcupine!

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Use Blu-Tac
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Fantastic effect! Everytime I perform the effect on a female, I get screams!!!!
I use "Scotch" Clear Mounting Squares And cut it to shape. It's real tacky! "Wal-mart" carries it by the way.
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I posted this in another forum...however I feel some here may be interested. I just published a cute little poem that goes with this effect quite nicely...and it works very well for the Halloween season. You can find it in the October issue of MUM.

I hope this helps,
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Thanx ppl, now I sigh my sigh of relief... the above has been gold to my mind....

btw, wut's blu-tac?

Cheers,
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Awsome trick if you want to really freak your spectator out!!!
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Craft Glue Dots is the same type of adhesive. I got them at Hobby Lobby but you could probably find them at any hobby/craft store.
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Blu-tac is like play-do except it's sticky but never dries out.
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My advice is be careful with this trick. If you should happen to do it for someone who suffers from arachnaphobia, you are in for a nightmare. It almost sent this person to the hospital. Not funny and will kill your show, I assure you. Haven't done the trick since this incident.
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That is exactly why I have never bought this trick and most likely never will. Although it might be fun to perform on friends and people close to you that understand you, in magic, I always like to keep the laugh on me.
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Guess what,if you start the trick off with a fairly good size, the only thing that you will have to do is take a lighter and torch the goo ball, just enough to make it sticky again.
I am presently still using the same one after 3 months. L&L Publishing will sell you more.
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The Web will out impact any other trick that you are presently doing.
I agree with the comments regarding performances, any one who has performed this effect knows that they had better be careful and not just perform it anywhere and everywhere.
Read the artical in this months issue of Linking Ring, for a fresh idea on this subject.
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I glued a fuzzy, black pom-pom to the spider.

I almost got punched by a woman's husband. She had a terrible fear of spiders, and the situation turned ugly real quick!

Lesson learned.

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I had an idea for this trick that lets the spectator know there is a spider involved beforehand, but still keeps the impact of the original ending. It is slightly bizarre and would take some time to make but elevates it from a card trick. It is somewhere in the Bizarre section of this site, I think under the heading 'amber'.
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Jim, the spider I got with mine hod most of the legs off. Any ideas where to get one?

Jeff
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I had a very interesting experience some time ago. Performing close up at a high class banquet I approached one table with my usual friendly smile. One of the females at the table looked at me with a horrified look on her face and said "Oh no not a ******* magician !" and literally ran out of the room. One of her companions exlained that this lady had a terrible fear of spiders, and a magician had performed The Web for her. Apparently this induced a severe panic attack, the woman was taken quite ill and her phobia had been made MUCH worse. Although you might feel that this gets a great reaction I would STRONGLY suggest that you exercise great caution on where you use it.
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Sorry, Jim, but IMHO it is simply a bad, bad, bad idea to perform this trick. It is not good magic. Please don't pretend that it is.

It does have shock value but, as has been described here twice already, shock value is not necessarily a good thing.

"Impact"? Hitting someone's finger with a hammer has impact, too, but that doesn't make it a good idea. Or good magic. Smile
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Steve,
Ease up man! I appreciate your opinion. I am curious though...The Web is probably one of the best sellers of magic in recent times. Just ask L&L Publishing. It was performed on national TV by Lance Burton, and others. Some of magics finest have Emailed me their personal routines. In 10 years it has built quite a reputation as possibly the scariest card trick on the planet.
Steve, if The Web does not fall into the magic catagory, why do you think that it is selling so well?

Those of you who are reading this I am in no way upset with Steve he sounds intelligent and humble, I have just had this conversation many times in many years, and not one person has convinced me to leave The Web at home. Michael Ammar once said to me that he could not see the magic in my effect, but he orderd one to take with him on his lecture tour in Germany. Two days later he left a message on my phone and said"...I think that I am begining to understand your effect...could you send me 50 pieces?"

Steve, keep playing TO their hearts, and I'll keep playing WITH them.

Much Resepct,
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I know Jim. He's a good man, a smart guy, and one of the best magicians I've ever seen. He knows good magic. He does beautiful work with cards, coins and more. The Web is just one of many routines he has created, and I have seen him blow people away with it. They were amazed at the way the cards changed and surprised at the appearance of the spider--to them it CLEARLY WAS good magic!

As he said, it is not for everybody, and it is not an "all the time" trick. I'm sure he doesn't do it table-hopping at restaurants. If you do not know how to read people well, don't do it. Obviously, you shouldn't perform it for 80-year-olds or people that you know fear spiders.

I own The Web and I have for years, since Jim first put it on the market. I use it sparingly, but when the time is right, it is, in point of fact, exceptionally strong magic. I have never sent anyone to the hospital, and I have never been accused of having bad taste or an "abuse" act or "insult" act.

Just because something isn't for you or isn't appropriate for every person or performing venue does not mean it is bad magic or that its creator should in any way be demeaned. I'll say it again, Jim Pace is one of the best magicians I've ever seen, and I will personally vouch for his character and integrity. If you don't like the Web, don't do it, but just because it doesn't suit you in no way makes it "bad magic."
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Scott, well said, the first time I saw the web I loved it. And the wheel(s) in my head started turning as to how I could use what is obviously a cool effect into something a little more audience friendly.

I wanted to put the laugh on me but everything I came up with seemed to hokey so I moved on to other things. I would be very intrested as to any ideas you have, and I will also be sure to check out that article in the linking ring.
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Just to emphasis that in the right situation I'm sure this will make a great impact but........if the woman you upsetjust happens to be the wife of the Managing Director of the company that's booked you - boy are you going to be in trouble !!!!! I have decided I am not prepared to take that risk, so don't perform it.
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The Web is a great trick...in the right surroundings.

Just to prove a point, I went over to a friend's house last night (Halloween). I've known him for years...I pulled it on him. After he picked himself off the floor, we both laughed so hard, we were wiping tears from our eyes...(I had to retrieve my spider from behind the couch!)

He said, and I quote, "That's the best card trick I've ever seen (ha ha haaaa)!"

Depends on who you show it to, I guess. I've fallen in love with the effect all over again. My buddy DID say, "I wouldn't show that one to most women!"

Which reminds me, Jim. How about modifying the trick so a small flower appears on her hand? That was my friend's idea...no freak-outs that way, yet still has a nice surpise (albeit wimpy) ending?

Just thinkin' again...

Doug
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Jim and Scott:

Actually, I had eased up when I wrote my above post. You should have seen how I <really> felt...

Well, having read your posts, I hear what you're saying.

At the same time, I stand by my opinion that this is not good magic and it's a bad thing to do TO people, instead of performing FOR them.

If I was not a magician and you did this TO me, I would have somehow avoided my urge to punch your lights out and, instead, have gone to the manager and done everything in my power to get you fired. You want impact and reaction? Well, there you go. Obviously I'm one who doesn't like spiders and who would be a very unhappy victim of your "magic".

Speaking of which, just what <is> the magic here?

Also, the fact that Michael and Lance bought into the trick does not prove anything. I recently bemoaned the fact that Fantasma, for all its marketing glory, is also packaging fake dog poop and fake vomit. Fantasma is much reduced in my eyes. As is Jim's "beautiful work with cards and coins". In my humble but thought-out opinion.

Good luck to all who like this trick. Now, where's my "Vernon Chronicles" when I need it?

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I don't think I would use The Web in a working situation or even for strangers. However, I love to use it for some family, close friends, or small halloween parties thrown by friends.

I would never want someone to fell like a "victim" so I am careful with it. I must admit that it's one of the best tricks I currently own!

Thanks Jim!
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Man, did I open a can o worms or what?
Steve, I will hope that some day we meet, and have a man to man conversation.

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Just to clarify to Steve and other members who may not know, Fantasma does not sell fake dog poop or vomit or any practical jokes. They are not available anywhere. Yes we may eventually sell them (they are products under devlopement hence why they are on our site) but they will never be sold alongside our more expensive line of magic. These will be bargain joke sets for pharmacys and discount stores etc with a different look to our products sold in FAO Scwarz for example.

However I cannot fully understand why this would make anyone feel different about Fantasma. We still carry the same magic line and will release innovative products. Two of the best magic shops in London sell practical jokes - Davenports and International Magic. I don't think this makes them any lesser (is that a word?) of a company.

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Jim,

I asked in a previous post regarding the actual spider. As I said mine arrived with a spider missing most of its legs. I have tried to find a similar one with no luck.

Do you have any ideas where I can get one. Also can you let me know what the material to make it stick is?

I love the trick, but I want to make sure I have ample "stuff" to continue using it. I love the reactions I get !

Thanks,

Jeff
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Jeff you can get a similar fake spider if you go to a joke/halloween shop. They sell packs of fake 'webbing' which usually contains a small plastic spider to attch to it. This is what I currently use with an added black pom-pom. As for the sticky stuff, blue-tack is not sticky enough. You can use double sided tape but I have been told that the stuff is 'carpet adhesive'. I am still on my first packet, it should last a long time
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Some people like to be scared. That's why there's horror movies and roller coasters. Of course watching a movie or riding a roller coaster is a personal choice. The web can be a real fun trick under the right circumstance, with the right person. Most people lov it, unless they have a real phobia of spiders. My own personal phobia is a phobia of people with a spider phobia. But...I still love this trick!
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This same trick is available with a butterfly( which I have ) in place of the spider and it is still a shock but not as scary.If anyone is interested I will get more details.
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