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Zombie Magic Inner circle I went out for a beer and now have 8733 Posts |
Back in the 70's ( it might apply today, I don't know ) bartenders were hired based on 'their following' potential. They were so good at what they did, that they had people that would follow them to wherever they worked. They didn't just serve drinks ( you can teach a college kid to do that ). But they 'knew' their customers. They remembered everyone's name, names of their family, etc. They could talk about any topic. They knew music, film, art, any subject. Customers would go tho their place because it was like seeing family. And they'd bring friends.
If a bartender was leaving, they'd follow him. So, that bartender could increase the business of an establishment and owners knew it. They'd even 'court' someone to jump ship and come to their place. Could a magician do that? I think it's possible. It wouldn't happen just by being a great magician. They'd have to have that special quality, that electrifies a room. People with that quality can walk into a room, not performing, and people feel it. Some political figures and film stars have had it. People were attracted to them before they were 'known" because they had that special quality. Considering the great bartenders during the Chicago scene back in the day, maybe they were able to do it. |
Pop Haydn Inner circle Los Angeles 3691 Posts |
Eddie Fechter was like that. People came from all over the world to see him at the Forks.
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imgic Inner circle Moved back to Midwest to see 1337 Posts |
Maybe if magicians served alcohol...
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Modern clubs are different. They make their investment back in the first weekend often.
Sure a bartender can draw people.
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tboehnlein Inner circle ohio 1787 Posts |
"Modern clubs are different. They make their investment back in the first weekend often."
the investment in the business or the bartender? |
Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
The business.
Danny Doyle
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
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They'd have to have that special quality, that electrifies a room. People with that quality can walk into a room, not performing, and people feel it. Some political figures and film stars have had it. People were attracted to them before they were 'known" because they had that special quality. I tend to think of that "special" quality as nothing special but merely having a great personality. People buy the man, not the product or the service. It's kinda like the movies. People don't buy movie tickets to watch a movie. They buy movie tickets because of the man or woman that is starring in the movie. People don't go to the movies to watch the movies, they go to see Tom Cruise, or Johnny Dep or Brad Pitt. That's why they pay for the ticket, to see the personalities in the movie, not the movie itself. Same goes with the magician in show business. It's about developing relationships and having a great personality and not so much about the magic tricks. It's nothing special when you really think about it. It's just being a good person who is social and has personality. That being said, I think sure, a magician can write his own ticket.
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Daryl -the other brother Special user Chicago 594 Posts |
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People don't go to the movies to watch the movies, they go to see Tom Cruise, or Johnny Dep or Brad Pitt. In some cases but not most. People didn't set box office records to see Avatar because of Sigorney Weaver. Same with Jaws, Star Wars, The Excorcist, Lord of the Rings, ect. Its the movie or the book (in these examples) not the stars that draw people. A good movie can succeed on its own without stars. A bad movie will not suvive because it has a big star. IE: John Travolta in Battlefield Earth. |
Daz Buckley Elite user Australia 469 Posts |
Of course a magician can "write his own ticket", just like any in-demand performer. The question is, are you good enough ? I'd imagine Penn and Teller, Copperfield, Lance Burton etc. are at the stage where they can write their own ticket. But they are not the norm.
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
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On 2012-09-23 13:15, Daryl -the other brother wrote: I disagree. What's one of the first questions people ask when a movie first comes out? "Who's playing in it?!" That's one of the first questions. Even after being told that a movie was terrible, people will still go and pay for the movie simply because it has their favorite actor or actresses in it. "Well, even if the movie stinks, I'll go watch it because it has Johnny Dep in it.."
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Dimitri Mystery Artist Veteran user Israel/Ukraine 355 Posts |
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On 2012-09-24 20:11, General_Magician wrote: so the best formula would be a great movie featuring great actors. the same can apply for magic |
General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
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Dima Mystery Artist wrote: I agree. I saw one of your videos where you were performing. You have great skills. I was also impressed with the fact that you are able to speak several different languages, seemingly fluent. A magician's skill with the art of magic is still important, but it is of secondary importance to personality and showmanship. But that doesn't mean a magician should neglect being skillful in sleight of hand or misdirection during his performance of the art of magic while focusing only on showmanship. Both are important and neither should be neglected. But I would say personality and showmanship is the most important, otherwise, nobody would give you the time or day to watch your magic.
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Daryl -the other brother Special user Chicago 594 Posts |
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Even after being told that a movie was terrible, people will still go and pay for the movie simply because it has their favorite actor or actresses in it. That's what NetFlicks is for |
Pop Haydn Inner circle Los Angeles 3691 Posts |
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On 2012-09-25 13:18, General_Magician wrote: Why most important? Why is content not of equal importance? A movie with a bad script is still a bad movie, even if it has an attractive personality starring in it. I find that a lot of performers give credit to personality when it is often well-constructed routines and patter that give form and personality to the character. |
Cameron Francis V.I.P. 7025 Posts |
Sorry, Gernal Magic but what you are saying about movies is only half true. Sure, studios want stars for a big opening weekend. But if you ask people what they want when they go see a movie, it's a GOOD STORY. Really., people want both: actors they like in a good story. But look at Star Wars. No big names at the time except for Alec Guiness. It was the story and the way it was told that mad it a huge hit.
Bruce Willis didn't put butts in the seats for Sixth Sense, awesome word or mouth about the story did. Sorry. Back to magic.
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AndyLuka Elite user Milwaukee, Wisconsin 440 Posts |
Movies and magic are so much alike. In my shows I mention this. Without getting long winded I tell the audience something along the lines of "The style of Magic you are about to see is a lot like a movie, In movies you see great special effects to draw you in, and actors telling a story to keep you entertained, in the end you leave the theatre saying "wow that was a great movie" I hope you all leave here saying the same thing. So if you are willing to be entertained, I am willing to show you some magic."
In fact, depending on which effects I choose to perform I make a lot of references to well known movies. back on topic, as with a movie, you need both good actors and good story, with magic you need good chops and a personality. You don't have to be well known to be a good actor or magician. I think reputation is what makes you able to write your own ticket. In this business word of mouth and your reputation is what pays your bills.
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