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PepeRuizSJ Loyal user Dallas, TX 250 Posts |
Hi all,
I wanted to ask the wealth of knowledge of the Magic Café about this video uploaded to Youtube about a week ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N--a2OuPL......d4jnybiA I'm looking at two transformations in minutes 3:40, and 4:40. Please let me know if you see or know anything about this guy, and about this video. I'm pretty convinced this is a fake, but I thought I'd ask. I don't see a lot about this on the magic Café. It appeared in another conversation as a side issue. Please direct me to another conversation if this has been settled. At the end of the video he gives out a website. http://www.yifmagic.com. At the moment it only says "Coming soon." There's a facebook of him created today. It seems a little fishy, but maybe people know him, and he is just starting to make a name for himself It's hard to look him up, because yif on a google search of the magic Café gives out the abreviation many people |
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Loual4 Special user Montreal, Canada 670 Posts |
IMHO, at some point it is going to hit him smack in face like Criss Angel... People will expect to see live what he can only do with a camera... And when he won't be able to do it, that is when it hurts!
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Loual4 Special user Montreal, Canada 670 Posts |
Quick question to all of you out there:
We all know how we feel about people exposing our secrets, but how would you feel about someone exposing magic that is actually done with camera editing and special effects? Just wondering... |
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billmarq Special user State near Arizona 570 Posts |
A few months ago there was a suspect video showing what seemed to be an impossible coin effect and several people here asked if it was real. Another member and I, both of us having some expertise in video editing, took some time to analyze the video and each of us reported that we could find no evidence of "trick photography," although that does not conclusively prove the video was not faked.
Our reward was to be ridiculed by others, referred to as "dumb and dumber" and told that we were stupid to try to analyze Youtube videos because they are modified by the compression process, etc., as if we were unaware of those processes. Therefor, I shall leave the analysis to someone else this time around.
Honi soit quit mal y pense.
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Loual4 Special user Montreal, Canada 670 Posts |
Sorry to hear that Billmarq. All kinds of people on a forum, and sometimes the argument of last resort is, shall we say, deplorable.
Personally, when I see a video of something that is just too good, I ask myself if I know of any way to perform this effect without camera editing or trickery. There usually is a way, but it usually is less impressive than using stooges, editing, etc... This does not mean that if I can't see how it is done, it is camera effects. What I am saying is that I go through quite a bit of investigation on my own before jumping to conclusions. In the case the video in the original poster, there are moves that Yif does which are legitimate. I am just not convinced that all of them are.... My son, who is quite active in filming and editing, agrees. |
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Loual4 Special user Montreal, Canada 670 Posts |
Example of camera effect that you can not reproduce on stage in front of a large crowd:
http://youtu.be/obgJF3ofeYw |
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Bill Veteran user and Pretty Nice Guy 373 Posts |
I'm calling shenanigans! I'm sorry, but it has to be done.
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AlexWong Veteran user 371 Posts |
Actually, the video editing thing has already blown up in his face. Here's a youtube video on it, there are many people interview, some speaking mandarin, some in english.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=484......&theater |
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mrbungle Regular user 149 Posts |
Hi guys... I work as a director and have been watching the stuff that Yif does. The fork bending would be almost inpossible to do in post production. With a huge huge amount of budget it would be really really hard to do. because of the out of focus camera, shallow depth and handheld movements. Besides that, I think the girls should be really good actresses. I can tell that the fork bending has not been done in post production..
Grandia Enterprises inc. 1974
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satellite23 Elite user 424 Posts |
That transfo at 3:40 almost look like a sponge, but he ripped it apart and I was blown away. I'm pretty sure that trasfo at 4:40 was fake, though.
EDIT: Oh and by the way, the top two comments. They have ridiculous amounts of thumbs up. I think that's impossible. It might not be worth anything, but those comments might be spam. |
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Loual4 Special user Montreal, Canada 670 Posts |
The arsenal of a good director and producer does not limit itself in post production. Yes, CGI and edits are tools to be used, but much more cost effective than image manipulation are things like forced perspective. The one think I like about Yif, is that he actually used "real" techniques and commercial effects, mixed in with other, shall we say, non-standard way of doing magic. Snip, cut, force a perspective here and there to hide something.... Works nice on screen, but you can't use it in live performance.
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JonBarr New user New Mexico 73 Posts |
This is discussed in current issue of Vanish Magazine.
Check it out! |
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Loual4 Special user Montreal, Canada 670 Posts |
In the article, I found it hilarious that apparently, Criss Angel came out against using camera effects... Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!
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PepeRuizSJ Loyal user Dallas, TX 250 Posts |
Just a follow up. I found this video that spotted a failure in the video editing they used. It's pretty much undeniable:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=end......jZU3PF9A Here's someone replicating the effect and video editing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4WIiYqV3Y0 (go to minute 3) His website is still up as "Comming Soon." |
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mrbungle Regular user 149 Posts |
Hey guys.
I dropped the video in high quality at a post production facility here in amsterdam. They took it through a computer and are convinced that there is a lot of post production going on. They probably have a huge budget, because it is really well done. Especially the bill changing video is impossible and that is pretty easy to spot. Even on youtube. So, case closed. I wish it was 'real' magic, but it can only be done on video.
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PepeRuizSJ Loyal user Dallas, TX 250 Posts |
Hahaha, that's awesome mrbungle -that's why I love the Café - and you are right, there's something sad about it not being the real thing.
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Myst 0 Posts |
I've found this article about CG effects in Yif's Magic :
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-900518 I quote : "Yesterday,the Taiwan brach of IBM360(International Brotherhood of Magicians) vice president and some professional magicians had hold a press of accusing YIF uses CG effect instead of proper magic trick,which insulted all of the magician worldwide. After the press,YIF's agency came out and say that CG effect is also a kind of magic and refuse to admit it was wrong." It is sad to say, but it is true that this kind of magic is popular in Taiwan, proof is his popularity. I don't think CG editing should be used in magic, but I can't find any strong argument against it. Why should it be opposed to "real magic" when it could be just considered as "a kind of magic" ? How is it so different to some stage magic that couldn't be performed "in the real world" ? (e.g. David Copperfield) Sorry if this topic has already been raised in the past, but it always has been an unanswered question for me, and I'd be happy to hear strong arguments that prove CG editing is not magic. |
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Loual4 Special user Montreal, Canada 670 Posts |
A very good and valid question Myst! Speaking only for myself, if CG is considered a kind of magic, then it is no different than any other movie you can go and see. It brings the art of magic on the same standing as "Harry Potter" and any other movie with great special effects.
To me, the art of magic resides more in the ability of the magician to create this same sense of wonder and illusion, but without the necessity of working through the camera. If you can present the same illusion in a live setting, then you are on to something. People love to look at a live magician and wonder how it is done. When they learn it is special effects and that they can not see the same illusion live, you can tell by the look on their faces that they have been let down. Now, if somehow you manage to combine CG and stage presentation, so that the illusion done is perceived as being "live" with no special effects by an actual live audience, then you are probably on to something interesting. As magicians, our claim to fame is that we can actually perform these miracles in front of a living breathing human being. If we are simply using CG, then we are competing with "harry Potter", "Merlin", "Nanny Mcphee", etc... And that is simply not the same anymore. Just my opinion. |
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Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts |
What if the magic is a combination of real techniques and video editing?
A couple years ago as a joke, and in response to all these edited videos, I created a trick called "The Fold Vanish." It uses a combination of "legitimate conjuring" along with some selective video edits. The final result looks like something that might be possible in a live close-up setting, but isn't. http://www.magicbookreport.com/2011/06/the-fold-vanish/
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PepeRuizSJ Loyal user Dallas, TX 250 Posts |
Let me just throw a slight curve ball. I understand this effect just came out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbtrn8Lg-ZI It seems to me that it is not the same that Jif is doing, maybe one inspired the other. What do you think? |
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