On 2013-03-10 11:09, ManchurianMan83 wrote:


Firstly, the envelope has absoloutely zero to do with the actual method and personally I just use the spectators wallet instead. If you really have an issue over it, that's the 100% optional aspect of the method.

Secondly, if a spectator was really going to be burning the envelope as the method I'd actually welcome it! Leads them further away from the pad. If they really thought the envelope was the method, having them put the whole thing, envelope and all , in their pocket should be enough to quickly end that line of thought.

While I'm not at all trying to talk you out of not wanting to get it. After all, you can't please everyone with one thing but I do feel worrying about the envelope is a very odd reason to be put off the pad personally.

On 2013-03-10 11:18, ManchurianMan83 wrote:

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On 2013-03-10 10:50, Fire Starter wrote:
So if I get this I have to join facebook to get any decent tips? no way would I join face book it's just not for me.

that's fair enough.
I would hardly say I'm enamered with facebook myself.

I personally feel it might be in peter nardi and alakazams best interest to produce either an accompanying dvd or pdf with the next run of ghosts simply because the info and ideas shared in this group has been so fundamentally important to its development beyond the original dvd.
I believe it was mentioned to him on there.

On 2013-03-10 14:19, nanaswan wrote:
I too am not a Facebook person and don't think it should be obligatory to create a profile just to see ideas on a product I have paid good money for . Having said that mine works superbly with everything supplied and don't have any queries .

On 2013-03-10 15:03, parmenion wrote:

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On 2013-03-10 11:09, ManchurianMan83 wrote:


Firstly, the envelope has absoloutely zero to do with the actual method and personally I just use the spectators wallet instead. If you really have an issue over it, that's the 100% optional aspect of the method.

Secondly, if a spectator was really going to be burning the envelope as the method I'd actually welcome it! Leads them further away from the pad. If they really thought the envelope was the method, having them put the whole thing, envelope and all , in their pocket should be enough to quickly end that line of thought.

While I'm not at all trying to talk you out of not wanting to get it. After all, you can't please everyone with one thing but I do feel worrying about the envelope is a very odd reason to be put off the pad personally.

Please, respect the secret and people bought it!
Don't talk about the working...

On 2013-03-10 19:06, parmenion wrote:
It's why I'll never share any information with newcomer...

On 2013-03-10 19:06, parmenion wrote:
It's why I'll never share any information with newcomer...

On 2013-03-10 14:39, ManchurianMan83 wrote:
It's not obligatory. I just advise it because naturally once you get a crowd of mentalists and magicians in one place discusing ideas and tips freely its going to be as valuable if not more than the dvd.

You have to bear in mind that until now,ghosts release, the only few people that have been using it have been paul and peter and a select few they have shared it with. So naturally paul says on the dvd what works for him in his experience but now its in more performers hands since release, new ideas that even paul hadn't considered are being brought forward such as pens people have found work better for them then the pen paul suggests. Its just natural progression of a product.

It's not that the product you get doesn't work, its just over time since release, new contributions have been made by owners that have made it work better.

My pen works so clearly it's perfect so don't see how there could be a better pen ?

On 2013-03-11 12:05, rasp wrote:
Parmenion......Where you not once a Newcomer?

On 2013-03-11 12:58, parmenion wrote:

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On 2013-03-11 12:05, rasp wrote:
Parmenion......Where you not once a Newcomer?

Yes, but when someone point to me I reveal to much, at least I understand and stop to give awy to working of the product I bought...
Richard Osterlind talk about that better than me.
It just make me sad to see nowadays secret has not any value anymore...
It's why I said I'll never share any on my idea on a open forum.
My 2cts

On 2013-03-08 09:35, ManchurianMan83 wrote:

I don't have Steam. I said I 'knew OF it', that it existed as another method, but I didn't say I actually 'KNEW it'.

I came ACROSS steam during my research into mentalism pads but never purchased it because the trailer showing the 'props' didn't sell it for me.
I had no idea HOW it worked (hence why the same was true with Ghost because it uses the same principle, which I didn't know at the time) so method wise it did intrigue me but again, for me, Steam uses (or at least the trailer shows, and that's what I base purchases off of) non-organic seeming props.

The spectator having to write on a strange bit of card.