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Sorry, but I take issue with the statement that doing magic is "worthless unless you are making money doing it." What about doing it just for the shear joy of it? There are plenty of people who like to perform casually, who have no desire to become professional but bring joy to others. Are they wasting their time? I don't think so.
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On 2013-04-02 19:41, djohnson wrote:
Mindpro, now I regret posting a review. I only expressed my opinions and if you think I was asked to review this then you're wrong. I just wanted to share this with the community. In the book, Mr. Marsi points out that the organizations you market to are desperate for speakers and entertainers. I took the initiative and called up 5 such organizations and booked 2. I was jumping up and down in joy. However these are not paid gigs but he teaches you how turn them into paid gigs. And that's all Ill say without giving away too much. I'm a full time cook at a classy restaurant in Charleston, South Carolina and I want to make that leap to have a part-time business doing magic/mentalism.

If there is something wrong about being a newbie and posting my reviews/opinions then perhaps this forum is not for me.


No, don't misunderstand my points that I was trying to make. I or no one ever thought you were asked to post a review. I never thought that either. What I was referring to as suspect is that an unknown new member would come here without first introducing or establishing themselves first so we who who this review or opinion is coming from. Are you a seasoned, longtime working pro, or are you a 13 year old kid who came across the Cafť by Google? Do you see how the review and your opinion could differ based on such knowledge and information?

If course you are entitled to you opinion. But when that opinion comes in the form of a review supporting or endorsing an unknown product, from perhaps an unknown resource (maybe others know of him but we all don't), that carries a decent purchase price and begins with such a bold claim in the title, it makes someone a bit curious and perhaps even apprehensive. This also comes at a time where a more common practice around here is the creator having friends or stooges come on here under the pretenses of paying customers or "regular" means, offering a review which always seem to praise the work to be "the latest and greatest". It happens regularly here and has created a defense toward this with many members here (see Mike Ince's recent thread).

In actuality even after reading your post and review it told us nothing other than you liked it. It was your second post here that actually offered more insight and real information.

The review offered by andyfisher also offered much more clarity, along with his opinion, which now allows potentially interested members here have a better idea what they would be spending their hard earned money on, and if it is right for them.

Not being sure of the level of your experience, I suspect his concepts may or similar to some available in other materials by the sounds of it. It is also important to know the area and markets where he performs as many Members here are may not have or be interested in the same market. Often material specific to one region may not always be as appealing or viable in other areas.

Finally, another thing never mentioned in many of today's new releases is a directive in the hype and promotional release (and also the reviews) of who this content is intended for - beginners, amateurs, working professionals, those seeking to get into the ______ market, etc. This is crucial information that is always missing, whether intention (as in many cases) or not, as well as is this for strolling, closeup, parlour or stage? These two pieces of info are crucial to any release or purchase in my opinion. The concept should be to have informed, happy customers (this of course ultimately cuts down on negative reviews) which is impossible when so much important information is being withheld by the creator.

Just a few insights to offer a better understanding of where I and perhaps others were coming from.

I value Slim's perspectives and believe the creator may be a decent, credible guy. Again it was the method of promotion and lack of real info that made this suspect to me, not the person himself.
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If one were to want to make a business/living out of doing close up magic, what resources would you point to?

Doing magic is one thing, the business side of magic his a whole other plain.
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If one were to want to make a business/living out of doing close up magic, what resources would you point to?

Doing magic is one thing, the business side of magic his a whole other plain.


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It's good to be a part of the Cafť finally. I was quite surprised after reading reviews of my book. However, I must point out that this book was written with the general public in mind. I'm sorry if some of my magician and mentalist friends did not find any new routines. This is a marketing book that has helped magicians and many non-magician business owners. It has enabled them to take their business off the ground without the long wait of advertising.

There will be some exciting news coming up in the near future for the owners of this book. At this point, that is all that I can say for now. I am making a grand return to this market as I am offering all new business services to individuals/corporations! Hope to see some of you out there!

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I think the book had good info, to point me in the right direction to find places to practice and refine my public speaking, performance, and ways to find potential clients, and create a initial revenue stream. I was not impressed with the bonus section. I was hoping for more meat in that part, I would have put a few more effects.

It is well written and as the writer says it was not written for Magicians or Mentalists but for regular people to ad magic to their gigs.

If you apply the information in this book you will more than recoup your investment.
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Tpratt38,

Thank you for that honest review. This book has been selling very well among laypeople and business owners. Many have experienced instant transformations in their businesses following the advice contained. It is my hope it helps you too.

Yes, the book was written with laypeople in mind. The effects in the bonus section was enough for the average layperson to use. However, there will be an update to this book later on in the future and those who have purchased it will automatically receive it. More announcements will come .
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I bought this book back in February & I thought that I had finally came upon my 'goose that lays the golden eggs'. I was very excited, but I waited until I was totally prepared (writing out the scripts for the shows, preparing some cool giveaways, etc.) because these organizations are desperate for speakers.
I have no problem with offering a performance at no charge (I didn't say "free") as long as there's a chance that it will lead to more venues.

So a few weeks ago, I sent an email to 22 of these type of organizations. I haven't received one response.
Regarding some of the organizations, I had to email through FaceBook. One of them had 260+ Likes in regards to see the message that I sent, another 240+ Likes, still other had over 100+ Likes.
Yet nobody is contacting me!
I continue to be confused (yes, MindPro, I still haven't given up. Wish I could afford your expertise.)

Anyway, here is the message that I emailed to the 22 organizations:

Hello, (President or Chairman or Secretary's name).
Is your group in need of a unique, entertaining speaker for an upcoming meeting or event?
I do a few free programs as part of my overall marketing plan and I am contacting you to offer to speak at your club sometime this year.
I am a local speaker/entertainer/author who can add a unique talk to your upcoming meetings. Iíve written 3 books for entertainers in my field and have been performing for over 25 years.
I have 3 talks that I would suggest for your club:

Golf Tips by a Non-Golfer (entertaining tongue-in-cheek talk)
How to Win at the Casino (what Iíve learned about gambling)
Using Your Intuition in Sales (utilizing your hunches)

Each talk runs approximately 20 minutes.
Whom should I contact about getting on the schedule for 2017?
I will touch base with you in 2 weeks, if I donít hear from you.

Thanks!

If anyone has any input to eleviate my confusion, please chime in.
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I am not a performer and do not have any experience in how to best pitch yourself to such organizations. But I am a business man myself and there is one red flag that immediately popped out when I read your letter. Unless you are pitching to casino executives, gambling and sales don't go together. Many folks associate gambling with cheating, dishonesty, etc., particularly if you are offering 'how to win' - all items you do want to stay away from, particularly if you are also offering advice in sales. I would therefore suggest you drop your 'how to win at the casino' talk.

I would also remove the phrase 'my marketing plan'. Whatever your plans are is not important. You want to offer quality content, either entertaining or valuable to the listeners. There is very little of that in your letter. What is your value proposition? Why should anybody take the time to listen to your talk even if it is free?
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Chris,
Thanks for your input.
Your comments are what I was hoping for.

For the record, the "casino" talk is another tongue-in-cheek talk as the audience doesn't learn anything to win at a casino. I should re-title it, more along the lines of, "Learn Why You Can't Win At A Casino".

<Why should anybody take the time to listen to your talk even if it is free?>
Well, mostly for the reasons Robert Marsi gives in his ebook.
I guess I should change the descriptions for the Golf one & the Casino one. The Sales one states that you're going to learn to 'utilize your hunches' in sales.

I really appreciate your comments on all of this.
Back to the drawing board!
Thank you.
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Chris,
Thanks for your input.
Your comments are what I was hoping for.

For the record, the "casino" talk is another tongue-in-cheek talk as the audience doesn't learn anything to win at a casino. I should re-title it, more along the lines of, "Learn Why You Can't Win At A Casino".

<Why should anybody take the time to listen to your talk even if it is free?>
Well, mostly for the reasons Robert Marsi gives in his ebook.
I guess I should change the descriptions for the Golf one & the Casino one. The Sales one states that you're going to learn to 'utilize your hunches' in sales.

I really appreciate your comments on all of this.
Back to the drawing board!
Thank you.


So, someone who cannot sell their talk is going to tell me how use my "hunches" on how to sell things. How's that working for ya?

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Dale,

Thanks for your comments.
Of course , only you guys know that I'm not selling my talks. The recipients don't know where I am or how many I've done.

I've bought quite a few of your ebooks & for the most part, enjoy your creativity & thoughts.
Thanks again for chiming in with the 'rub-in-the-face' comments.

Maybe it's time for me to depart from here.
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Marqus,

My point is that you should not be selling something you have no experience with doing yourself. The best affiliates for affiliate programs actually use the product or service and have experience with it. Then there's affiliates that will sell anything just to get affiliate money. The ones who actually believe in, and use, what they are selling are the most successful.

Here's some more advice for you:

Hello, (President or Chairman or Secretary's name).
Is your group in need of a unique, entertaining speaker for an upcoming meeting or event?

=== This is bad opening. You are supplicating to them and asking them if they need you, and all this in a way that easily allows them to just say "no". You need to tell them what's in it for them, and that lets them then know they do need you. But this is one of the worst opening lines ever for a sales pitch.

I do a few free programs as part of my overall marketing plan and I am contacting you to offer to speak at your club sometime this year.
===They don't care about you, or what's in it for you. Plus "sometime this year" makes it sound like you have nothing else to do (even if you don't have any other gigs you don't have to tell your potential client that!). First, you need to realize that the reader of your pitch only cares about WIIFM as in What's In It For ME! "I have a program that can increase your sales through applied uses of intuition. People see X results after Y number of days. You can get the first program during August at a special introductory price of only $100." Also, to many of these organizations they may be suspicious of someone offering free.


I am a local speaker/entertainer/author who can add a unique talk to your upcoming meetings. Iíve written 3 books for entertainers in my field and have been performing for over 25 years.
====Not specific enough; anyone can claim to give a unique talk. They need to know SPECIFIC FEATURES & BENEFITS. Also, so what if you've written books of other entertainers, unless you can tie that into a benefit for the customer you are after. And if you're going to talk about sales then shift the focus from your performing for over 25 years to "I've been successfully selling my entertainment program to many markets for over 25 years"


I have 3 talks that I would suggest for your club:
===This is just plain bad. These talks are all unrelated. You need to offer packages, but they need to be intertwined and somehow relate to each other. Such as "You can get the free introductory course on using applied intuition in a sales force" then "If you are fully satisfied you can then order the Gold Packages, a 2 day intensive seminar on how to use applied intuition and overcome objections through mastery of situational awareness" and then "Or you can get the Platinum packages, a four day intensive seminar that teaches you everything from the Gold Package plus how to use your new found mastery of applied intuition in other areas of life, which will make your sales force have happier lives causing them to go out and sell 3 times more than before"


Golf Tips by a Non-Golfer (entertaining tongue-in-cheek talk)
How to Win at the Casino (what Iíve learned about gambling)
Using Your Intuition in Sales (utilizing your hunches)

Each talk runs approximately 20 minutes.
==The length of the talk doesn't matter to a qualified prospect. The value of the talk, the features and benefits, what the prospect will get. I've seen people pay thousands of dollars to drive around in a Cadillac for two hours; and I've seen people refuse to pay more than $5 for a 4 hour seminar.

Whom should I contact about getting on the schedule for 2017?
==You've already contacted your contact and now you're asking them for something without giving them anything in return? Generally, if they are not the correct contact, you should get that sorted out first....

I will touch base with you in 2 weeks, if I donít hear from you.
===This basically says "Even though I can give a free talk at any time of the year, you Dear Sir or Madam, are not important enough for me to follow up with for FOURTEEN DAYS!" In 2 weeks, after one initial contact, potentially with the wrong point person, do you think they'll remember/care?



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Good points but I'm getting confused because it seems that it contradicts some of the suggestions in the Marsi book.
Because Mr. Marsi doesn't actually give a template on what to write in the email, I searched out this:

<Tips for Speaking at Rotary Clubs to Grow Your Speaking Business>
<Write an email offer to present. Here is the one I wrote:
I am contacting you regarding offering to speak at your Rotary Club this fall/winter. I do a few free programs as part of my overall marketing plan.
I am a local author and speaker on communication topics. My book, Small Talk Big Results: Chit Chat Your Way to Success! was published last year.
I have 2 talks that I would suggest for your club:
Beyond Bullet Points: Business Storytelling (short workshop)
Communication Tips from Tots: What I Learned from My Children (inspirational talk)
Whom should I contact about getting on the schedule for Sept-December, 2011?
I will touch base with you after Memorial Day, if I donít hear from you.
Thanks!
Diane Windingland
(note: I encouraged clubs to choose ďbusiness storytellingĒ and thatís what they all did choose)>

Again, thanks for the input. I think it's time to drop my dreams of a local mentalism career.
Really - thank you.
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I see that there are no comments on my previous post so I will move on.

I sincerely appreciate the input but it doesnít seem like my concerns were touched upon in my original post.
I got all these Facebook likes (hundreds of them) from the organizations that received my offer (donít forget - the letter wasnít public). Iím baffled that not one person contacted me.
Tie that in with this post from OP djohnson (ďWhen I got done reading it I decide to make a few calls and I was booked for 2 engagements! This stuff works.Ē) and this excerpt from the ebook where Marsi states that they ďare always desperate to get speakers. They really donít care what the topic is about, as long as itís proper and interesting.Ē (BTW, Marsi encourages emails.)

Almost all of these organizations sponsor/have a golf tournament.
All of these organizations are located within 2 to 15 minutes from our local casino.
I mention this because Iím sure someone will say that the topics of my talks arenít Ďproper or interesting.í To these people, I think they would be.

Anyway, I revised my letter & offer by changing the titles of the talks, whatís in it for them if they have me give a free talk, and also putting in a deadline for my offer.

Iím just confused and more & more. If I sucked at performing, Iíd be able to accept these results, but I performed a show at a private party this past weekend, & received so much positive praises that it started to become embarrassing.

Hope those reading my posts have read the ebook by Robert Marsi.
I didnít send/email my revised letter offer yet - still contemplating if Iím wasting more time & heartache.
I just wanted to really post regarding the Facebook situation but my emotions got the best of me. Probably because Iím so obsessed with performing.
Thanks for reading.
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