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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Sounds like you might have some anxiety Danny do you need help? Going down the mainstream route is a lot scarier.
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dmkraig Inner circle 1949 Posts |
Mindpunisher, I have no doubt that you learned "closed eyes relaxation … followed by suggestions and visualizations" and called it "basic hypnosis" 25 years ago. However, It has evolved a great deal since then. The methods of Elman and Erickson have become adopted as basic hypnosis techniques, and the methodology of suggestion and visualization is vastly improved. I would agree that in some instances what you're calling "basic hypnosis" is limited and not very effective. In other instances, clients, especially new ones, expect it and won't initially respond well without the hypnotist meeting their expectations. It all depends upon the individual you're working with.
Although there are some therapists who provide guarantees, indeed, most do not. Although a single, five-hour session is not considered optimal or practical by most hypnotherapists. Some NLP practitioners will do that with full life coaching. However dealing with depression and anxiety with hypnotherapy is usually fairly quick and effective. I agree that part of the art of hypnotherapy is recognizing who is ready to respond to it and referring out those who will either not respond to it (usually due to not being ready) and/or will not respond to the hypnotist. Being able to do this, IMO, is an indication of a superior practitioner. |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
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I still use that kind of hypnosis but at the end of the change work when the actual work has been done. I use a lot of Ericksonian type of suggestions at that point. And process suggestions etc. I wouldn't class that as basic it takes years to learn and hone that skill. Plus you need to be on our toes to feed back some things that come up during the previous 4 hours. But the real meat of the work has already been done by then. After about an hour and a half "conversation" quite often a client won't even be able to tell you why they came because they either can't remember or are finding it almost impossible to hold on to their problem. Its actually a really fun way to work with someone who is or "was" depressed.Basic is what I said and find that there are more therapists out there that do the basic stuff than not. Or perhaps they are just bad at doing the other stuff I don't know. Counseling will have you in therapy for years and still not resolve the problem. CBT from the experience of the clients I have worked with doesn't seem to be much better. Like coaching is something totally different it isn't therapy. They don't need further coaching after the session the problem has gone. And we also make a list of all the things they want to let go in their lives that they believe have been holding them back and let go as many of these things at the same time. There are also some people who are not only not ready but also not willing. There are people out there who do not want to let go of the problem because they get something positive from having a feeling of being special or an excuse not to do something. Or even sometimes to punish or control a partner or someone else. It can get complicated and counselors can deal with them. |
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Anthony Jacquin Inner circle UK 2220 Posts |
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On 2013-05-19 19:56, mindpunisher wrote: How often can they not remember why they came? 1 in 2, 1 in 1000?
Anthony Jacquin
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dmkraig Inner circle 1949 Posts |
Anthony, I do not follow MP's protocol of working with a client using hypnotherapy for 5 hour sessions. However I can see how working with a person for that long can so change the focus that a client, during the session and while in trance, doesn't remember why they're there. Even with a shorter period of work this type of confusion can often occur during a trance state where lots of work is going on. It's generally a positive sign as the focus changes from "the problem," and that problem no longer becomes important. After the client emerges from trance of course they'll remember why they came to have the session.
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kenedho Regular user 192 Posts |
First off I apologise my topic post has attracted an unexpected kind of discussion on hypnotherapy, instead of entertainment hypnosis. I have, however, learnt so much from reading everyone's posts. Thank you all, for showing me all the little things to be aware of when working as a hypnotherapist and the paths that can lead me to it.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On 2013-05-19 19:32, mindpunisher wrote: I meant scary how easy it is.
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<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts |
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On 2013-05-12 15:34, kenedho wrote: Take a good reputable certified hypnosis course. That would be the best option imho.
"Dreams aren't a matter of Chance but a matter of Choice." -DC-
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White Rodent New user Australia 84 Posts |
Not necessarily Pakar. I know many, many successful stage hypnotists including many on this thread that have never taken one of those "certified" hypnosis courses. In fact most, if not all of the legendary stage hypnotists on the other thread managed very well to get by without taking one of these courses.
And to answer Kenedho's question: Yes indeed. So called "close up hypnosis" requires an entirely different mode of study than stage hypnosis. And Hynotherapy requires a different mode of study than both of them. So there are THREE different types of hypnosis. I always thought there was only two but the Magic Café hypnosis section has made me aware that there are three. And of course everything on the magic Café hypnosis section should obviously be taken as gospel. Apparently something known as "street hypnosis" has emerged. I confess that I have never seen a "street hypnotist" and I do believe this is one mode of suffering that I am very grateful not to have endured. I thank Jesus most fervently for this incredible blessing. And for Australians to thank Jesus is as rare as seeing someone talking sense in this revered place of Green worship that has been provided for us. |
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White Rodent New user Australia 84 Posts |
I do apologise. I meant to say "on this section" instead of "on this thread" in the first line of the above post.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I can think of one on this thread.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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252life Inner circle Ninth Circle, Hades 3243 Posts |
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On May 28, 2013, White Rodent wrote: Amen and thanks. This is the rare thread that's left me annoyed. I think the OP had a valid topic. To bad it was trampled, by a few, obviously insecure, and full of crap people. Anyway, I'd recommend Reality is Plastic, and the Manchurian Approach. I think RIP alone should answer most questions. At the least, I think it will set people off on the right foot. At best, depending on your needs, it can open some amazing doors. 252Sleep!
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